"Among ACC schools, three men's basketball teams would fall below the cutoff (Clemson, Miami, North Carolina State); one football team (N.C. State) and five baseball teams (Clemson, Florida State; Georgia Tech, N.C. State and Virginia Tech); and three men's soccer teams (Maryland, N.C. State, Virginia Tech)."

ncsu = shitty school in a great conference

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Scholarships at Risk Under New Standards By Liz Clarke Washington Post Staff Writer Monday, February 28, 2005; 2:00 PM Slightly more than half the 326 NCAA Division I schools could lose an athletic scholarship in at least one sport as punishment for their students' poor results in the classroom under new academic standards set to take effect next year. Among the teams at risk, if the standards were in place now, would be the defending national champions in football and men's basketball -- Southern California, which won the Bowl Championship Series title by defeating Oklahoma in the Jan. 4 Orange Bowl, and Connecticut, which rolled to the 2004 NCAA basketball title in last year's Final Four. Based on data from 2003-04, both fell short of the NCAA's minimally acceptable "academic progress rate," or APR, which is a new measure of students' success in the classroom. Starting next year, the NCAA will use APR scores -- rather than the standard graduation rates -- to punish teams that chronically under-perform in the classroom. The NCAA adopted this approach to academic reform after efforts to encourage, cajole and even shame colleges to improve graduation rates had little effect during the past 20 years. Now, it's using a stick to get results. That stick is athletic scholarships: For each athlete who flunks out or leaves school in poor academic standing, a team could lose the right to re-award one scholarship for one year. Punishments won't be meted out until December, at which time another year's worth of data will be available (the 2004-05 academic year). But to help schools prepare and, ideally, right a troubled ship before it's swamped by the new sanctions, NCAA officials began informing university presidents last week where they would stand if the rule took effect immediately. That data -- the APR of each team at 326 Division I schools based on the 2003-04 academic year -- was made public Monday. And it paints a troubling picture -- although a virtually inscrutable one, given the complexity of the NCAA's approach to the issue -- of the poor job that many of the nation's top teams in football, men's basketball and baseball are doing in retaining their scholarship athletes. The broad-brush picture looks brighter, however, buoyed by the generally better performance of athletes in sports that don't generate revenue for their schools. According to the NCAA data: • Slightly more than half of all Division I schools (51.2 percent) would fall below the 925 APR cutoff in at least one sport and be subject to the loss of one scholarship for each athlete who left school in poor academic standing. (Under the NCAA's formula, an APR of 1,000 is perfect. A score of 925, which translates to about a 50-percent graduate rate, is minimally acceptable.) • 7.4 percent of Division I teams would fall below 925 and be subject to a scholarship cut. • Sports that would be most affected are football (with 30.7 percent of teams below 925); baseball (23.9); and men's basketball (20.1 percent). • Among ACC schools, three men's basketball teams would fall below the cutoff (Clemson, Miami, North Carolina State); one football team (N.C. State) and five baseball teams (Clemson, Florida State; Georgia Tech, N.C. State and Virginia Tech); and three men's soccer teams (Maryland, N.C. State, Virginia Tech). • Maryland's football (956) and men's basketball (938) teams have acceptable APRs. But three Terrapin squads would be vulnerable to sanctions: Men's soccer (907), men's swimming (900) and women's basketball (907). • Men's basketball teams at American, George Washington, Georgetown and Navy also have acceptable APRs; not so for George Mason (857) and Howard (914). George Mason, in fact, has five teams with sub-par APRs; in addition to men's basketball, they are men's indoor track, men's outdoor track, wrestling and softball. The NCAA's latest step in the academic-reform movement is being hailed by the Knight Commission on Intercollegiate Athletics, a watchdog group that has long advocated a 50-percent graduation rate as a minimal standard for qualifying for postseason play. "It's wonderful," said Wake Forest President Thomas Hearn, incoming president of the Knight Commission. "The fact is that coaches and athletes are competitive people, and when academic as well as athletic requirements are placed on their programs, the coaches will respond and the players will respond. In terms of achieving what we have been after -- namely, making an academic piece of the puzzle affect the athletic outcome -- we believe this will have important consequences." In other quarters, the measure is sure to generate controversy and confusion.

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Damn, wuffies. How do you explain this shit? "Win at all cost"? ....but you ain't even winning.

Much harder to stay in Virginia Tech, NCSU, Georgia Tech, Miami. It's no secret that unc is easy to graduate from.

I think teams should be REWARDED for booting kids from the teams for academic failure. Instead they are punished (due to graduation rates).

Yeah...ummkay, Capt. IF. These kids at ncsu get to re-take courses and replace the failing grade. That's right, REPLACE the grade. This is a designed policy to KEEP THEM IN SCHOOL.

But whatever, next you'll tell us all of Amato's players are Nuclear Engineering majors?

3 of your 4 All-ACC Academic performers on the football team are majoring....



















....Parks, Recreation & Tourism



Nice try though.

That's the worst spin I've ever seen, Lee. You're better than that.

Where's dook in your equation?

Do you think Southern Cal and UConn are shitty schools academically? How about Virginia Tech or Miami?

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Punishments won't be meted out until December, at which time another year's worth of data will be available (the 2004-05 academic year).

Better be careful, tarheels.

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Where's dook in your equation?

You can play bball and get a sociology degree from Duke University in 3 years. I'll leave it at that.

Maybe it means your administration is willing to look the other way? Ever thought of that?

And Tar Heel is two words.

Yet another eye sore for ncsu, the little brother in the big shadow.

Yo Yo Yo,

When dey recruiteted me Dean, I mean Coach Smif showeted my tha crayons dat Kevin Madden cheweted on in class.

Dean: "You see those? Those Crayola crayons were used by Kevin Madden as he worked his way toward his degree. All of our player/students graduate."

Sheed: "When I gonna git laid?"

He liked tha fruity lookin colors tha bests. Thing is he kept leavin them mutha on tha bus an dey wood melt in tha sun light.

He wuz a stupid mutha.

unc KLASS from top to bottom.

Peace out

Sheed

By the NCAA's formula....


Felton leaves early (in good academic standing).....1 pt.
McCants leaves early (in good academic standing)...1 pt.
Marvin leaves early (in good academic standing)....1 pt.
One of the 3 seniors (Jawad, Melvin, Manuel) does not graduate on time.

That's 19 out of a possible 24 pts. That's a 791 APR. WELL below the NCAA standard.

Let's say the seniors are okay. That's 875. Below the cutoff.

I mean, when you KICK OFF a player from your team (i.e. McClendon, Washington, Puff, Adarius, Hunter) you are penalized.


Here's the damn key...from your article:

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Teams that run the risk of sanctions have multiple options, both constructive and counter-productive. Among them: Recruit students who are more capable of doing college-level work; help under-performing athletes do better in school; steer athletes who struggle toward easy courses and benevolent faculty members willing to give whatever grade it takes to keep them eligible.

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I mean, when you KICK OFF a player from your team (i.e. McClendon, Washington, Puff, Adarius, Hunter) you are penalized.

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steer athletes who struggle toward easy courses and benevolent faculty members willing to give whatever grade it takes to keep them eligible.

Excellent points

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steer athletes who struggle toward easy courses and benevolent faculty members willing to give whatever grade it takes to keep them eligible.

And we know Valvano made sure that happened at ncsu.(CHEAP SHOT)

But, the rules are the same for everyone, yet ncsu is failing miserably, no pun intended.

You should be penalized when you kick a player off the team. (Puff, Bowman, Spark)

You shouldn't be penalized if a player goes pro and is in good academic standing or if a player transfers and graduates.

QUOTE (SchoolZone @ Feb 28 2005, 08:52 PM)

You shouldn't be penalized if a player goes pro and is in good academic standing or if a player transfers and graduates.

no matter how you look at it the players are dropping out of school, unless of course they graduate early, dropouts, for whatever reason, do not and should not reflect well on a school

not saying the rule is right, but it is somewhat justified.

This is simple to explain.


Your post answers your own question.

NC State is a hard school to make good grades in.
Most afaletes are stupid. They would not have gotten into college had it not been for their talents on the court/field. A shitty school would equal everybody getting good grades. The simple fact that they dont make good grades means the school is difficult. Enjoy the self load you just shot on your face.

unc just hands out A's (see the 100's of grade inflation post we have read on here).

The story says HALF of ALL schools, so NC State is in some good company. Low talent betty crocker programs like unc fly under the radar.


So tell us SZ, just how many grades can an NC State athlete replace?


They do the very same damn thing at unc.


I dont give a shit anyway. I went to State and I got my A's and graduated Magna Cum Laude. Dumb people should not go to science/tech/engineering universities. That is what they have shitty douchebag liberal arts schools like unc for.


You hole fans just graduated with "Cum Load" on your face and a welfare application.

* N&O reported that 41% of all undergrad grades were A's at unx last year, up considerably in 20 years

Said C's were an endangered species and F's were unheard of.

Have the article at work.

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You hole fans just graduated with "Cum Load" on your face and a welfare application.

http://www.unc.edu/faculty/faccoun/reports...0EPCGrdInfl.PDF

"Student" Reaction

Grade Inflation

After the submission of the report on grade inflation in February, the EPC undertook a number of activities to collect public reaction to the issues raised in that report. Specifically, members of the EPC met twice with the Chancellor’s Student Advisory Committee, participated in the inaugural "Intellectual Climate Brown Bag Lunch," and cosponsored with student government an open forum on grade inflation that was attended by approximately 100 students and eight or nine faculty. The report received wide attention in the press and the EPC received a number of communications from faculty and some from students. The organized student response was generally (but not entirely) negative. Students stressed four main concerns:


Grade inflation isn’t really inflation because the students are better now and work harder.


Students who work hard deserve high grades.


Students would be put at a disadvantage when applying to graduate school or for employment if GPAs overall were to be lowered.


The cordial atmosphere that exists between faculty and students would be damaged should some professors begin to grade lower.

Faculty response was entirely voluntary and was overwhelmingly supportive of the conclusions of the report. Some faculty and non-faculty objected publicly to the conclusions of the report or to portions of it. Those objections were widely reported in the press. Still, we do not believe that the faculty as a whole has had sufficient time to digest the implications of the report and to consider actions for the future. Therefore, we propose below resolutions both to disseminate and gather information that will be used to inform a full Faculty Council discussion of the grade inflation issue in the coming academic year:

Resolution 1: The Faculty Council shall authorize the appointment of a Task Force on Grade Inflation with a duration of one academic year. This task force shall be responsible for disseminating information on grading practices to the University community, collecting information from deans of schools and departmental chairs, organizing a major faculty council discussion, and proposing actions for faculty council approval.

Resolution 2: The Task Force on Grade Inflation shall, during the coming academic year disseminate to the University community -- including faculty, deans and chairs -- quantitative information on grading practices that can be used for departmental review and discussion. This information will include the current definitions of letter grades under which the faculty currently works.

Resolution 3: The Faculty Council, acting through the Task Force, shall request of schools and departments formal responses to the report on grade inflation and to specific questions to be developed by the Task Force.

Resolution 4: The Task Force shall present their findings to the Faculty Council and participate in a major discussion of the results of those findings.

Resolution 5: The Task Force shall present a final report to the Faculty Council, possibly including resolutions for further faculty action, by the end of the academic year 2000-2001.

The Educational Policy Committee 1999-2000

Reid Barbour
Edward Carlstein
Douglas Crawford-Brown
Jean DeSaix
Randall Hendrick
David Lanier
Heidi Schultz
Boone Turchi, Chair
Thomas Warburton

QUOTE (SchoolZone @ Feb 28 2005, 07:24 PM)

"Among ACC schools, three men's basketball teams would fall below the cutoff (Clemson, Miami, North Carolina State); one football team (N.C. State) and five baseball teams (Clemson, Florida State; Georgia Tech, N.C. State and Virginia Tech); and three men's soccer teams (Maryland, N.C. State, Virginia Tech)."

There have been some absolutely masterful spins here on the above FACTS.

Face it, wuffies, it's a level playing field, and State's athletes get smacked around on the field and in the classroom. We'd say you're trying to "win at all cost," but actually your school is just pathetic.

It's not even a level playing field, just ask Miami(Bobby Washington).

ncsu has adopted the new slogan: "Lose at all costs."

"Win at all costs, cheat if you must."- Bill Cowher

QUOTE (SchoolZone @ Feb 28 2005, 07:24 PM)

"Among ACC schools, three men's basketball teams would fall below the cutoff (Clemson, Miami, North Carolina State); one football team (N.C. State) and five baseball teams (Clemson, Florida State; Georgia Tech, N.C. State and Virginia Tech); and three men's soccer teams (Maryland, N.C. State, Virginia Tech)."

BWAAHAHAHHA!!!!!!!

Or you can just leave kurlina early, call back in 3 years, and they'll send you a diploma - just ask mj.















'Course, some people can have their daddies whacked and get away with it scott-free, too... but I guess that's for another thread.

Yeah - this thread is about FACTS PROVING that NCSU is at the bottom of the ACC in academics.

This is some damned good humor/spin

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A NCSU fan once told me that since NCSU's graduation rates were lower than UNC's, it was definitely a much more difficult academic school. Which explains why Princeton graduates 98 percent of its students, while McNeese State graduates 19 percent of its student body.

^
LMAO!!! What the hell would you know about college accademics, you little junior high tickturd?!!!

QUOTE (paxno1 @ Feb 28 2005, 11:12 PM)

^ LMAO!!! What the hell would you know about college accademics, you little junior high tickturd?!!!

What are "accademics", you retard, I mean State grad?

QUOTE (paxno1 @ Feb 28 2005, 11:12 PM)

^ ...college accademics, you little junior high tickturd?!!!

UNC = top 30 University nationally, 2nd best State institution, 1st in value

MooU = garbage in, garbage out.

Oh my! After 2 years you finally manage to find one typo out of my entire compilation of posts.

You should probably graduate high school before attempting to correct your betters.

HOC, just curious, not being sarcastic. What is the first best state institution? Again, not talking crap, just wondering.

Yo bitches,

Expect this to go over like a fart in an elevator. Ain't no way SC and other football factories are losing schollies because of myles brand.

As Brains would say, this is liberal attempts at enforcing equality of results as opposed to equality of opportunity. Even a casual glance at the "standards" and punishments reveals some skewed priorities.

Example. Kid gets homesick, decides to return home, work in mill and support family. School? Penalized.

Kid transfers. School penalized. (unc just missed getting the hammer on this one: Boone, Fingleton, et al).

Terry Holland said it best: "If the ncaa was truly concerned with academic reform they would re-institute the freshman ineligible rule."

Later.

QUOTE (bigaman3853 @ Mar 1 2005, 09:30 AM)

HOC, just curious, not being sarcastic. What is the first best state institution? Again, not talking crap, just wondering.

UVa

Oh, I thought he meant 2nd best NC state institution. I didn't think there was any NC state school ahead of you guys. My bad.

QUOTE (SchoolZone @ Mar 1 2005, 09:31 AM)

UVa

I would put Michigan and Cal - Berkeley ahead of unc, and Florida isn't looking too shabby either....

bigaman, there's a recent US News report that put the whole ACC something like this:

5) dook
25) UVA
28) Wake
29) UNC
BC
GT or Maryland
Miami
VT
Clemson
86) MooU
100 something, last in the ACC) FSU

That list is including Harvard, Yale, Princeton, etc. I don't remember the exact numbers, and I don't care enough to go find a link, but that's a good reference point. NC State is easy to get into, easy to get a degree at (Parks and Rec, HAH!), and yet Amato and others can't get their guys to go to class.

QUOTE (HeelOnCampus @ Mar 1 2005, 10:49 AM)

bigaman, there's a recent US News report that put the whole ACC something like this: 5) dook 25) UVA 28) Wake 29) UNC BC GT or Maryland Miami VT Clemson 86) MooU 100 something, last in the ACC) FSU That list is including Harvard, Yale, Princeton, etc. I don't remember the exact numbers, and I don't care enough to go find a link, but that's a good reference point. NC State is easy to get into, easy to get a degree at (Parks and Rec, HAH!), and yet Amato and others can't get their guys to go to class.

Where did Arkansas come out?

Why are you asking about Arkansas? I have no idea, that's actually from memory from IC, and it's just the ACC. I probably only remember it because Miami was actually relatively high (maybe 40-something), and apparently they're 7th in business school as well, and also NC State was a lot lower than even I would've figured.

anyone willing to bet parks and rec is harder to get out of than african american studies

Name the only thing easy about nc state. The sheep.

I have been to both schools, and I can say that unc is a joke when it comes to academics.


Another example is when I meet folks, I am like "im in the dental school, what's your major" and they are like "18th century art history with a focus on latin painters". Even their majors sound like a joke, or at best, a formula for getting on welfare.

The dental school is retarded hard, but I know what the undergrad classes are like. Pathetic.

Dude, there's a history degree at NC State, too. Get over yourself already. Both schools have these kinds of degrees. It just turns out that UNC's history degree is more sought after and prestigous than MooU's.

Besides that, History majors are hard in their own way, too. I looked into at a history degree, and it turns out it's just a very large amount of busy work for a future secretary or starving novelist to do (or what else do you do with a history degree?).

edit: oh, and if you heard "emphasis on latin painters" then you must've heard it from a MooU undergrad, because there are only 4 areas of emphasis in UNC's history degree, and that ain't one of 'em.

QUOTE (HeelOnCampus @ Mar 1 2005, 11:40 AM)

Why are you asking about Arkansas?

I did my post graduate work with the Hogs. I was just curious.

Is there a reason this argument is taking place? I find it hard to believe that any NCSU fans/alum can honestly think State is a better school academically than UNC.

QUOTE (HeelOnCampus @ Mar 1 2005, 10:49 AM)

bigaman, there's a recent US News report that put the whole ACC something like this: 5) dook 25) UVA 28) Wake 29) UNC BC GT or Maryland Miami VT Clemson 86) MooU 100 something, last in the ACC) FSU

Facts are facts people.

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I find it hard to believe that any NCSU fans/alum can honestly think State is a better school academically than UNC.

Well you found the place. They honestly do think ncsu is better. They also think the US News rankings are biased due to UNC journalists. Conspiracy and paranoia are a common wuffie trait.

But, no, there is no reason for the argument.

bigaman, the popular thing to do if you're a wuffie is to claim that you were "able to get into Carolina," but that you "chose" MooU. This makes them feel like they didn't settle on a place. imadude122 has already said that he gave up UNC business school (among the tops in the nation) for MooU business school (I never knew they had one). It's sad, really.

US News Ranking

UVA, Cal-Berkley, Michigan, and UCLA are above UNC on this one, actually. bigaman, watch for that to be one small victory for the wuffies.

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imadude122 has already said that he gave up UNC business school (among the tops in the nation) for MooU business school

Some people go to unc for mathematics. Now THAT's stupid.

yeah I could have gone to uncdump for Fisheries and Wildlife sciences.

unc degree for that would have been growing pot and petting bunnies

Oooh, cheap shot outta nowhere from Lee. But like me, the vast majority go to college not knowing what they want to do. Just take a look at the number of undecided majors and the numbers of times majors are changed.

I didn't know what I wanted to do, so I went to the best overall school which just so happend to be a great value. I'm getting by with my Math degree, thanks.

The old argument from the wuffies is "if you want to be an Engineer you go to MooU"....yeah if you can't get in a good school like GaT you settle for Cow College.

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Some people go to unc for mathematics. Now THAT's stupid.

Can you back that one up? Or are you still chapped about flunking out of ncsu?

You can't really knock State's engineering school. It is one of the top ranked in the country.

QUOTE (bigaman3853 @ Mar 1 2005, 03:57 PM)

You can't really knock State's engineering school. It is one of the top ranked in the country.

I'll admit I don't know much about state's or any other North Carolina school's academic programs, but one thing I hear from everyone from a lot of schools is,"our schools engineering program is one of the best in the nation." I'm in the Electrical engineering program here at UT and everyone says it here, they say it at A&M, they even say it at UTEP. Not saying its not true. Just something I've heard a lot.

LOL thats very true. States was listed in the top 25 on the US New's list of top engineering schools.

QUOTE (HeelOnCampus @ Mar 1 2005, 01:53 PM)

imadude122 has already said that he gave up UNC business school (among the tops in the nation) for MooU business school (I never knew they had one).  It's sad, really.

when i first enrolled at state is was undecided on my major, i then decided on business, im actually transfering to app state next year, partly due to the fact that the business school there is better
i did choose not to go to unc, a decision i have yet to regret at all, i would probably ending being one of hoc's stalkees

We know you chose not to go to UNC. You've told us that already.