That's a great jacket Roy wore today.

Yeah. Looked like there was some Duke blue in it. Props to the zebras. Really came thru for the holes down the stretch.

Those last 2 state possessions sum up their program for the last 29 years. Piss poor.

Scott Wood had his usual line against a decent team.......35 minutes of play: 2 pts, 0 rebs, 2 turnovers with both being daggers for State, 4 fouls, and matador defense. His sorry defense caused 2 of Leslie's fouls. What a waste of space. Wood + zebras = a hole win

State showed tremendous heart though. after Leslie fouled out I thought they'd roll over. Props

At least NCSU won't have any ACC baby blue lackey refs to deal with in the NCAA's hopefully. Provided they make it.

state makes the tourney since miami and texas move up in the rpi.




thirteen in a row.

About as poorly officiated a game as you'll ever see in the ACC. Not sure that it overwhelmingly helped unc (although the non-call on the charge was certainly horrendous), but it was definitely bad.

PROPS TO CHAMPS. I THOUGHT FIRST HALF WAS REFFED FINE ENOUGH WITH MISSED CALLS BOTH WAYS. HOWEVER, THE 2ND HALF WAS DECIDEDLY IN unc'S FAVOR ON A NUMBER OF CALLS AND THERE ARE NOT MANY, IF ANY TEAMS THAT CAN OVERCOME 5 BAD OR MISSED CALLS AGAINST unc.

THE CHARGE NON-CALL WAS A MISSED CALL. THE PROBLEM I HAVE WITH IT IS THAT THEY CALLED CHARGING ON US IN EXACTLY THE SAME CIRCUMSTANCES TWICE. ALSO, THE FOUL ON MCADOO FOR GIVING JOHNSON "A LITTLE EXTRA" WOULD HAVE BEEN CALLED ON US HAD WE DONE IT. AND LESLIE'S 5TH FOUL WAS NOT A FOUL, BUT A BLOCK. LOOKED LIKE BARNES'S/OR WHOEVERS TOE WAS ON THE LINE. THEN AGAIN, YOU HAVE TO MAKE FREE THROWS AND NOT DO DUMB TURNOVERS. IT WASN'T ALL THE REF'S FAULT. I DONT THINK THE LAST FOUL ON HOWELL CAN BE CALLED....UNLESS WE WERE THE ONES DOING THE FOULING IN THE SITUATION.

SERIOUS QUESTION, IS IT LEGAL TO PUSH ON PEOPLE IN THEIR SIDE/BACK WITH A FOREARM AS THEY SHOOT UNDER THE BASKET?

Did Roy flip off a reporter....?

Burlington Times News reporter Adam Smith tweeted that Brian Dorsey told Gottfried to "shut your ***** *** up" after he questioned the no call on Marshall. He said the exchange happened right in front of him and quoted it verbatim.

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@ obi_ugochukwu Verbatim. The word before *** started with an F.

Tarhole fans see nuthin' wrong with it either. God forbid , a ref talk to Roy that way. The poor SOB would never work an ACC game again. Swofford would see to it.

Whiny bitches.
Be sure to catch the game tomorrow.

Gottfried said it didn't happen.

But if it did, then he should be gone.

That's not a denial. Oh yeah. Good luck tomorrow in the Duke Conference Tournament.

After a rugged, foul-plagued game in which each team lost its top scorer, the officials put their whistles away in the closing seconds.

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Fek you you douchebags.

Yeah I can't believe they didn't call that blocking foul on MooU.

It was a 100% no doubt about it textbook charge. Not even gray area imo.

Can't get them all though.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=szXZOkeFOoo...e=youtube_gdata

If you watch the video of the KM play starting at :38, it looks MUCH closer at that angle and I can see a no call. Still a charge imo.

looks in to me. you gotta have more proof to dispute it.

MooU Player initiated contact and was sliding his feet.

Somebody needs to teach Gottfried how to count to 5.

You can be sliding your feet you dumbass.

KM changed his direction slightly and lowered his shoulder, essentially pushing off. But it's all okay in smurfland.

so a blocking foul with the sliding of the feet and non-establishment of position. got it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFCm4y42yNE

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaab-the-da...-210356075.html

Why am I surprised pert would say that?

Our resident referee has conceded it was a questionable call and he's a unc alumni. So just STFU. You have no idea what you're talking about.
Several commentators and several sports sites have questioned the call. You posting "the rules of basketball" videos does not contribute to this thread.

lee, you said he was sliding his feet to gain position, which he failed to do. why? his feet were NEVER flat on the floor regardless of sliding.

he never established position, kendall wasn't shooting. technically, a blocking foul. but, since it's so hard to make that minute call, a no-call was the best call.

MooU player leaned in and initiated contact then flung himself to the floor. Rather than you know, playing defense. But at least that gives MooU fans what they really want - a reason to scream about getting screwed again.

Swofford's fault!!!!

The rule for drawing charges is different for a player who is playing on-ball defense than for a player who is playing help defense. In fact, a player playing on ball defense is allowed to draw charges even within the restricted circle. Why?

It's all about when you establish legal guarding position (directly facing the player with the ball, both feet planted). Clearly it was established in this case. Then:

Art. 6. To maintain a legal guarding position after the initial position has been
attained, the guard:
e. May move laterally or obliquely to maintain position provided such a
move is not toward the opponent when contact occurs;
f. Is not required to have the feet on the playing court when shifting in the
path of the dribbler or when moving laterally or obliquely;

(Rule 4-35)

An uncompetitive blowout loss might have changed this status for the worse, but what NC State did -- playing unc close to the final buzzer, and getting the wrong end of a couple of key calls (the refs were bad for both teams, but there's little question that NC State felt the lion's share of the pain)

Considering neither player had any intention to foul, you would have to consider:


Section 40. Incidental Contact
Art. 1. All contact shall not constitute a foul. When 10 players move rapidly in a
limited area, some contact is certain to occur. Incidental contact shall be contact
with an opponent that is permitted and does not constitute a foul.
Art. 2. Contact that is incidental to an effort by an opponent to reach a loose
ball, or contact that results when opponents are in equally favorable positions
to perform normal defensive or offensive movement, should be permitted even
though the contact may be severe or excessive.
Art. 3. Contact that does not hinder the opponent from participating in normal
defensive or offensive movements shall be considered incidental.

thus, a no-call.


and then, from section 10.1, more confusion:

Art. 10. When a dribbler has obtained a straight-line path, the dribbler may not be
bumped, pushed or otherwise crowded out of that path. When an opponent is able
to legally obtain a guarding position in that path, the dribbler shall avoid contact
by changing direction or ending the dribble.


so is the sliding motion for both players considered not a straight-line path? it's just a lateral? or was KM actually moving in a straight line to the basket?

if so,

Art. 6.
d. [defender] May shift to maintain guarding position in the path of the dribbler,
provided that the guard does not charge into the dribbler or otherwise
cause contact;

which invalidates position.

you are right about the feet placement. not necessary.

It's not equally favorable because the defender fell. KM gained a clear advantage. If the defender stays upright it's incidental.

(When Pack fans complain that Duke and unc get all the calls, Kendall Marshall's apparent game-winning charge is what they mean.)

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The charge was 'meh'. The unc player on the end-line? That was obvious from 50 feet away.

NC State to the SEC. Or swofford to resign.

Click thropugh the slides.
http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2012/03/1...at-the-acc.html

You know its bad when the Charlotte Observer is on your side!

While both teams benefited from bad calls that last play on which Marshall scored was putrid. State can only blame themselves for being in that position though. Tossing the ball out of bounds on their second to last possession is indicative of all the demons real and imagined from which State basketball suffers. But State fans should take heart in the knowledge that Scott "Worthless" Wood is graduating which alone should be worth another 10 points a game. He contributed absolutely nothing of value to the game and threw a terrible pass on State's last decent chance to win. His horrible defense put his front line team mates in foul trouble. Against top shelf teams he plays like he's scared to death of the opposition. I have no idea why that guy gets the court time he does. He does nothing to try to get his own shot, one of the laziest players in the league. Having said that State got the short end of the stick the last 5 minutes of that game. They should be playing today

http://www.dukebasketballreport.com/articles/?p=43786


duke comes to unc's defense, calls state fans babies

Lee, how dare you to bring photographic evidence that 3 *'s is FOS.

NC State to the SEC. 2k a pop for alumni. Need 10,000.

Make it 9,999.

FEK this swofford induced abortion.

You think Kentucky games are called straight up?

Straighter than what we have in the Acc. And I'm not the only one who sees it.

LWGAF

C-USA would take them.