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SUNY at Binghamton
University of Florida
University of Wisconsin-Madison
University of Minnesota-Twin Cities
University of Maryland-College Park
University of California-San Diego
Northeastern University
University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute
The College of New Jersey
Pitzer College
American University
SUNY at Geneseo
Gustavus Adolphus College
University of California-Los Angeles
George Washington University
University of Southern California
University of California-Berkeley
Villanova University
University of Pittsburgh
Johns Hopkins University
Trinity College
University of North carolina at Chapel Hill
Claremont McKenna College
University of Rochester

Surprised to see Johns Hopkins on that list

University of California-Berkeley




Great list. Idiot writer. A lot in common with pervkie

LOL at RPI too, jesus christ did they just forget MIT?

As usual, they don't like the list, "lists are stupid"; they do like the list, "LOOK WHERE WE'RE RANKED!!!!"

You're talking about Pookie, right? (I know you aren't, but may as well be)

LOL
Everybody plays that game chump.

Lists are pretty fekkin stupid.

But some folks live and die by them. Perception before substance. To seem rather than to be.

these dudes dont even realize when people are making fun of them.

....obviously you didn't even read the link. It's a list of universities that have a lot of street cred but you can get a degree from them fairly easily if you're trying to just get your peice of paper. In other words, MIT isn't on the list because they don't give out peices of paper that say "MIT" on them.

That wooshing sound over your head? Yeah. Just ignore that.

By the way, NC State wasn't even considered because they don't meet the "minimum threshold of consideration" of 1250 average SAT score :-\

http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/feat...t-rigorous.html



NC State average SAT: 1186

http://www.admissions.ncsu.edu/how-apply/a...e/pdf/facts.pdf

You're bragging about a difference between less than 75 points on the SAT? Really? Has being a carolina fan been watered down to this?

that and they make you go to class once a semester, right chumps?

no, actually, they don't either for the most part.

By the way, 75 points lower on the SAT is a shitload considering it's an AVERAGE and not a single score.

You're a fekking idiot.

http://www.studybeans.com/sat/your_score.html

The highest possible score is 2400. 75 / 2400 is 0.03125. 3%.

Not insignificant, but certainly not

Using your "LOGIK" every time unc loses 20-19 they've lost by a " shitload".

jeezus.

unc-ch really needs a more rigorous curriculum, they are producing some dumb metherfeckers.

..............obviously you aren't a part of a strong mathematics institution. If you did, you would realize that average means that if you took any notional student from NC State and one notional student from unc, they would only be 75 points apart in their SATs. The fact that it's an "average" doesn't mean it's any more likely that one student would be massively better than the other, unless you have the statistical distribution of scores at your finger tips.

Actually, the only way you can argue that its "a shitload" is if you establish that NC State is accepting more individuals who are massively intelligent and blowing the Hell out of the SAT. Only then could you make some kind of argument that thousands of NC State students are complete idiots resulting in a 75 point average difference.

...in other words, you're full of shit. You have no information to make a claim that 75 points "is a shitload".



I know, right? I mean, Champs doesn't even understand how averages works. He thinks that somehow the word "average" makes a number bigger than it really is.

Is that an actual score or an "estimated" score?

I'll let you correct yourself on this one.



Also, 75 points is a lot. It's about 7-8 questions wrong. There are 100~ questions for M+R (150-160~ questions per exam for M and R, G). That's almost FULL letter grade different here at unc



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LOL @ perv.

Still on ignore.

Dumbass.

Wow. You are EXTRA dumb. And bad at reading.

The highest score on math+reading (You know, what we are talking about here) is 1600. Jeeezus, I know NCSU is dumb, but did you really think the average score was 1186 out of 2400???

Also, you can't measure "difference" by percentage, because that assumes a uniform distribution. Nothing is uniformly distributed. It's normally distributed (standard normal, to be precise. Hence, "standardized" test). The standard deviation for the combined score is about 140.

So the "percentage difference" is the area under the normal curve between 1186 and 1250. That difference is a pretty significant 18%. For the record, that is the difference between average and retarded on the IQ test.

By the way, 1250-1186 = 64, not 75 you bunch of fucking retards.

I think my work here is done.

plus you have to get back to not going to class.

You know, I think it's funny that you find this so "terrible". I mentioned this in a job interview last year on a hunch and explained how I did it and they hired me the same day. Said they thought it was resourceful.

i never said it was terrible. it just shows me (along with lists like these) what is involved in obtaining a degree from unc-ch.

nothing.

im ok with that, and you are too. win-win.

Apparently my not going to class gave me a better education in math than whatever the hell Dread and NCSP did. Good lord they embarrassed themselves in this thread.

Someone needs to explain to the unc "elitists" the concept of a land grant university.

they tried.

why do you think the rational north carolinians demanded that NCSU be established.

the sad thing is they still dont get it, just ask unc-g about the pharm school.

burn the mother######er down.

I hope you don't think I was making fun of State's SATs. More like the utter math retardation shown in this thread in an attempt to show me up.

So now you're trying to claim that unc scores higher on math and reading and is equal on the writing portion?

Link please to THAT. Furthermore, given that State is an Engineering school and unc is a liberal arts school, it holds that State kids would score higher on the math part than unc losers.

Oh and you do know there's a new SAT right?

Yo Yo Yo,

Boyz u r in big trouble.

If Pert ever channels "my science" at u then no u r dead.

Peace out

Sheed

What the hell are you rambling about? This isn't about unc at all. The stupid list posted denigrating unc requires a school to have a combined 1250 in math and reading to be considered. unc meets the minimum threshold, state does not. I didn't make up the requirement, they did.

BTW, State is a school with an engineering program. NOT an engineering school. Besides, your assumption would be wrong, unc scores higher in math too:

http://collegesearch.collegeboard.com/sear...are_schools.jsp?

unc Math 25th percentile: 610
75th percentile: 710

NCSU 25th percentile: 560
NCSU 75th percentile: 660

Dread,

Yeah, the ignoring of Pert has definitely increased the level of conversation quite a bit.

Champs,

I'm going to attempt to explain this logically, but I have absolutely zero faith that you'll actually listen or consider what I have to say because... well... you're just trying to win a pissing match, not actually have a rational conversation. You still haven't "figured it out" that the difference between NC State SAT scores and unc SAT scores are negligible and your assertion that it being an average makes the score "a shit load" is just ######ing stupid.

If you have a room of 10 students from 'School A' and 10 students from 'School B', averages don't tell you which majority of student is smarter. Let's say school A Scored 1200, average, on the SAT and School B scored 1150 on the SAT. If School A had two students that scored perfect on the SAT, then that means that the majority of the students, excluding the outliers, actually scored a 900. I'm not saying that unc or NC State are on either side of this boat; I'm just trying to get it through your thick skull that simply saying "DER! AVERAGE BIGGER! WE IZ ARE SMRTER!" isn't how it works. If you want to say "hey, let's just pull a random student off NC State's campus and a random student off unc's campus and see who's smarter, you would need to look at the median, not the mean.

I'm sorry you call it "math retardation". I call it pre-algebra (you know, the class Hansborough had issues passing to become eligible to come to carolina).

See, what I did there, Champs? I explained how you can't take a 64 point swing and claim it means anything significant using simple math and by not being a little prick about my school loyalty. It's called being rational. Try it.

BTW, if you could actually read, you'd see that the number "75" didn't come up because no one could subtract 1186 from 1250; it came up because of this statement: "You're bragging about a difference between less than 75 points on the SAT?" Just incase you didn't learn that level of math at the "flagship", 64<75.

and love the hansbrough dis by the way.

NCSP: In case you missed it

Feel free to COMPLETELY IGNORE the statistical reasons I proved that is was significant, probably because you don't understand it. That's ok. To your point:

Over a large sample of a standardized normal distribution, the median will approximate the mean (and vice versa). Sorry kid, your argument sucks. An entire student body is MORE than enough of a sample size for the mean and median to converge. But just for FUN, let's look up both:

NCSU 2010 median: 1185
NCSU 2010 mean: 1186

GEE I'M REALLY GLAD THAT MADE A HUGE DIFFERENCE.

Kindly GTFO while you still can.

It's like every thread I read dipshit is being faced by opposition. At least when I try to be arrogant I am usually right. First economics, now statistics




THE PRIDE OF NC STATE





.. is not academics

Is pert channeling his " science " degree ?

Put me back on ignore and stop responding to me, you stupid ######.

I'm thinking pert has seen a couple of "danglies" up close and personal. jes sayin...

Wait, wait, wait... so to prove my math wrong as to why mean-averages can't be taken at face value to determine what the "average" student is, you use.... another mean-average as proof?



That's similar to when atheists get pissed at Christians for using the Bible to prove the Bible correct. I really am utterly shocked at your ability to consistently raise the bar on how stupid a carolina fanboy can really be. Wow. Just wow.

...oh yeah, and for the zinger...



Yeah, sure... between the two of us, it's probably my problem that I can understand one thing you say. 'I is was understanding not ur engrish.'

Luckily I haven't seen any of the ones shoved down your tiny throat.



Well, not tiny anymore.






The difference is that the average student at nc state is less intelligent than those at unc.




So are you an atheist or Christian? This could be taken two different ways

First off, your argument has no mathematical merit. Way to dodge AGAIN by pointing out a typo (it's pretty obvious I meant to use "it" instead of "is". Feel free to actually address the point, but try to bring something to the table.

You used a terrible example to talk about how somehow the average score doesn't represent the average student. You proposed the median instead (they're nearly identical). What you neglect to realize, however, is that the SAT is DESIGNED so that the average scores represent the average student. The test is standardized. Judging from this conversation, I don't think you have any idea what that means.

lol faced again

...and again, this is your logic. What I gave you was a perfectly SOUND example. You can argue validity, but the effect is sound and the statistical effect is correct. The only way you can make a valid statement that the mean and median are nearly identical is if you are also going to tell me that the standard deviation is extremely small... in other words, if you have a University full of nothing but "average" students.

If you want to assume NC State is full of nothing but "average" students with 1186 scores and unc is full of nothing but "average" students with 1250 scores, then you are completely correct that any given student is probably smarter from unc because that would be the only way you could know for a fact that the mean and median are almost identical.

However, because of how intelligent you champion yourself to be, I know you wouldn't agree that this assumption is accurate. I don't know how much clearer I can make it so I'll give you the last word to respond or to just resort to name-calling and baseless intelligence-bashing. The carolina Way!

The gift that keeps on giving. Thanks!



No, it's not sound. This is what I am trying to tell you. The distribution you described wasn't even close to standard normal. The distribution of scores, (even if tests weren't curved to be normal, which they ARE, the central limit theorem guarantees a normal distribution

The distribution CANNOT look like that, because of sample size. It MUST look like this:



So your example is irrelevant.

By the way, did you skip this post?

NCSU 2010 median: 1185
NCSU 2010 mean: 1186

Those aren't predictions. Those are the ACTUAL VALUES. Gee, that sure does look similar to me. Especially considering the median could ONLY end in 0 or 5. There are no assumptions at all here.

Must...De...Fend...

"Shit... carolina is the only thing going for me in life... I can't stand around while someone posts insulting things! I better start Wikipedia-ing the topic so I can argue about it!!! INTO THE BREECH"

"I just absolutely owned in math by someone who went to a school that I think is bad at math, so I, uh...will change the subject real quick!"

...engRish!

hear! hear!

or is it

here! here!

chumps?