what would it be, without nc state???????



nothing

unc always feks up everything.

Actually, the point-shaving scandal involved FOUR NCSU players(which pretty much forced Case to retire iinm) and ONE UNC player. Oh and the ACC became a nationally recognized conference after UNC's '57 team went undefeated and beat Chamberlain and Kansas in the NC game.

Are you trying to tell me that unc has never been involved in a scandal like this?


EDIT:

http://www.lib.unc.edu/mss/sohp_interviewe...Control_ID=2412

I don't know a Doug "Mae" but I have heard of Dog Moe.

Um, no. Go back and re-read it since you obviously didn't catch what I was saying the first time.

UNC had their(small) part in the point-shaving scandal that was responsible for the end of the Dixie Classic. You tried to imply that it was UNC's fault entirely when you said this:



I pointed out that while yes, UNC did have a small part in it, there were FOUR NCSU players involved in it compared to ONE from UNC. So it was mostly due to NCSU players that the Dixie Classic got cancelled.

I also pointed out that the ACC became a conference with national recognition AFTER UNC's undefeated NC season in '57.

EDIT: Or two UNC players, per your link. Forgot that Doug Moe was involved in it, too.

The four NCSU players who were connected were Don Gallagher, Stan Niewierowski, Anton Muehlbauer, and Terry Litchfield.

EDIT AGAIN: Here's the link:

link

link

Who's that 3rd from the right on the front row?
Who's that dude in the suit on the far left?

Who's the guy who aided the NCAA investigation? I know. If he had something to hide he wouldn't have been so open.

At least you don't try to deny that Case had absolutely no control over his bball team. A lot like V. You're starting to see the light.

Wuffie Fact #3651 goes POOF.

Ahh we see a pattern developing.

unc recruits just like other schools, but ol dean turned em in as he was doing the exact same stuff.

Dean aided in the NCAA investigation of UNC, you fekking idiot. He didn't turn in anyone else. He also was an assistant coach on this team, not the head coach.

Assistant coaches are usually closer and spend more time with players than the head coach.


How in THE HELL do you know?

The members of that 1961 team have been so hush-hush about the point shaving, nobody will ever know the real truth. LB and Doug Moe AND DES all know the details and they'll take it to their graves.
I don't think Moe has ever admitted it was he that had a gun barrel to his gut courtesy of a mobster.

Let me guess, prove he DIDNT turn in anyone else? Amazing.

Has Dean ever commented on his involvement in the investigation? Serious question. Or are you relying on AJ Carr's accounts or more likely the Karolina Krazy Fak book? We hear all about how unc fans burned Smith's effigy in 1965. We don't hear shit about how he came to get his first hc job.

How could Dean "aid in the investigation" if he was unaware? The unc point shaving wasn't just about the Dixie Classic games. It was a season long thing. Why haven't Moe or LB commented on 1961? They won't utter shit even if St. Peter asks them.... to protect the familia.



I guess the dude that wrote DES's wikipedia entry forgot, too, eh?

He aided in the sense that he did everything the NCAA asked him to do. Brown and Moe were players Mcguire recruited before Dean got there, btw.



It wasn't a "UNC point-shaving scandal". It was all over the country. NCSU had MORE players involved in it than UNC, as a matter of fact. I guess having a lack of institutional control didn't start with V.





I realize you HAVE to keep this mindset in order to keep that hatred for UNC. It's just funny to me and anyone else reading it without those ABCer blinders on.

Spin Lesbo spin. Sad seeing a dork spinning events that happened before he was even born



Thank goodness we have someone close to the incident to give us the real scoop



Let's blame McGurie for everything. Let's do that. Let's throw him under the bus and proclaim him embarrassment to UNC. But let's brag about that title he won but never breathe his name unless we have to.



Hmm UNC players taking bribes to fix games.....What does UNC call it?

Forgive my "sarcasm". I've "been gone all week" and just can't help myself