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FOR RELEASE: December 12, 1989, Immediately

CONTACT: S. David Berst, NCAA Assistant Executive Director for Enforcement

NORTH CAROLINA STATE UNIVERSITY INFRACTIONS REPORT

by the NCAA Committee on Infractions

MISSION, KANSAS--This report is organized as follows:

I. Introduction.

II. Violations of NCAA legislation, as determined by committee.

III. Committee on Infractions penalties.

I. Introduction.

The processing of this case began on January 9, 1989, when the then chancellor and the then director of athletics contacted the NCAA enforcement department to request a review of certain matters involving the men's intercollegiate basketball program following highly publicized reports of possible violations of NCAA legislation. As a result of this request, the enforcement department conducted an investigation, and an official inquiry was sent to the university on August 31, 1989. A prehearing conference was held in Raleigh, North Carolina, on October 25, 1989.

The enforcement staff and the institution shared information and conducted several joint interviews throughout the processing of this case. On November 3, 1989, a hearing was held before the NCAA Committee on Infractions, which was attended by university representatives, to consider the matters that are addressed in this infractions report. At the conclusion of the hearing, the Committee on Infractions deliberated in private, determined findings and penalties, and prepared this report.

It should be noted that the university and NCAA enforcement staff investigated several matters that ultimately did not involve NCAA rules governing intercollegiate athletics competition or that did not meet the minimum standards of reliability set forth in NCAA Bylaw 32.5.1.2 in order for the enforcement staff to allege a violation. Under these standards, an allegation may be submitted only when the enforcement staff concludes that the allegation can be supported by sufficient information to reasonably expect that the Committee on Infractions will make a [Page 2] finding of violation. The committee, in turn, must base its findings on information that is "credible, persuasive and of a kind on which reasonably prudent persons rely in the conduct of serious affairs," as set forth in Bylaw 32.6.6.2.

The information presented to the committee by the university and enforcement staff generally focused on two discrete areas of NCAA violations -- the handling of complimentary admissions to regular-season and Atlantic Coast Conference tournament basketball contests for members of the men's basketball team, and the manner in which basketball shoes were issued to members of the men's basketball team. A few additional violations were reported, but the committee regarded them as secondary in nature, and the existence of these violations did not affect the committee's views of the appropriate penalties in this case. It also should be noted that the committee did not find that any clear and direct competitive advantage accrued to the university's men's basketball program as a result of the violations in this case. Notwithstanding the limited scope of the violations, the committee concluded that in each of the two principal areas of concern (the handling of complimentary admissions and basketball shoes), the violations indicated that the institution failed in its "responsibility . . . to control its intercollegiate athletics program in compliance with the rules and regulations of the Association" [reference: Constitution 2.1.1]. The violations also demonstrated a failure to comply with the principles of rules compliance, which require a member institution to "monitor its programs to assure compliance and to identify and report to the Association instances in which compliance has not been achieved" [reference: Constitution 2.5.1]. In this case, the failure to exercise institutional responsibility concerned matters of omission, such as the absence of adequate compliance monitoring systems and slow responses to correct practices and procedures that the institution and its then director of athletics (who also serves as men's head basketball coach) should have recognized as fraught with potential for rules violations.

The committee, therefore, has concluded that this case should be classified as a major case subject to the minimum schedule of penalties mandated by the Association. Under the Association's bylaws, "A secondary violation is one that provides only a limited recruiting or competitive advantage and that is isolated or inadvertent in nature" [reference: Bylaw 19.02.2]. All other violations are major violations. Repeated secondary violations are expressly identified as a class of violations that may be regarded as major [reference: Bylaw 19.02.2].

A number of considerations entered into the committee's final conclusion that this is a major case, notwithstanding certain differences between this case and typical major cases that involve willful violations of fundamental recruiting and extra-benefit legislation. Firstly, the violations in this case are not "isolated or inadvertent." Those relating to complimentary admissions occurred from 1985-86 to 1987-88. There were few instances identified by the institution when men's basketball players obtained material benefits in exchange for complimentary admissions, but there were numerous occasions when individuals were permitted to use [Page 3] players' complimentary admissions improperly. The university reported that during this period, there were as many as 650 erroneous designations for use of admissions, and a few improper designations continued to occur even into the 1988-89 season when the institution was reviewing its administrative practices in this area. Moreover, the university had reason to know that it needed to take preventive action to avoid problems in this area. During the 1985-86 season, in response to national attention to problems at other institutions concerning complimentary admissions, the university detected, took disciplinary action, and reported to the NCAA violations relating to complimentary admissions in the men's basketball program. Nonetheless, no improvement occurred in managing complimentary admissions, and improper designations of individuals on the complimentary lists continued to occur. Even team managers were able to make changes and designate persons who would be able to use the basketball team members' complimentary admissions.

Secondly, violations relating to the issuance of basketball shoes also continued over an extended period of time, 1984-85 to 1987-88. Because of the laxness of the university's procedures in this area (as set forth in the findings in Part II of this report), some members of the men's basketball team were able to obtain material benefits in exchange for basketball shoes they had received from the athletics department. Although some improvement in control procedures occurred during the latter part of this time period, the procedures throughout this period were inadequate to prevent some men's basketball team members from obtaining shoes without being accountable to return them to the institution. During the beginning of this period, an excessive number of shoes were issued with little or no effort to keep track of the shoes.

Thirdly, the violations that occurred with respect to complimentary admissions and basketball shoes flourished because of inadequate institutional procedures for administering these areas of responsibility. Neither the faculty athletics representative nor any other person outside the athletics department appeared to have a significant role in overseeing the compliance practices of the athletics department. Further, there was no effective system within the athletics department for monitoring or checking these areas of compliance responsibility. The administration of complimentary admissions and issuance of basketball shoes are normal activities in a basketball program, and the head coach is responsible for seeing that these activities are assigned to persons who will manage them appropriately and for seeing that effective systems are in place to oversee the individuals to whom such duties are delegated. The director of athletics, in turn, is responsible for overseeing the performance of these duties by the head coach in the program. The committee also notes, as it has stated on other occasions, that an institution must be aware that when it combines the assignments of head coach of a major sport with those of director of athletics in one individual, the institution is responsible to ensure adequate administrative arrangements are in place to provide appropriate supervision and monitoring of that program. There is nothing inherently improper in an organizational structure that combines such positions, but it places responsibilities on the institution, as well as on the individual, to ensure that such a form of organization does not diminish institutional control. [Page 4]

Finally, the committee believes that NCAA member institutions consciously adopted a narrow definition of secondary violations, limiting that category to violations that are "isolated or inadvertent," because the Association intended to impose a duty on all member institutions to make rules compliance a major responsibility for which each institution would be held accountable in a significant way if rules violations could be attributed to the absence of reasonable compliance procedures. This limited definition is consistent with the principles of institutional control and rules compliance, which are among the fundamental principles of the Association and its member schools [reference: Constitution 2.01, 2.1, 2.5 and 3.2.4.1]. The membership recognizes that maintaining compliance with NCAA rules may involve costs to an institution both in terms of resources that must be devoted to the task and in terms of institutional energy needed to withstand pressures to relax an institution's commitment to rules compliance. Although there may be cases in even the best-administered athletics programs where violations occur despite efforts of the institution to prevent them (which properly are treated as secondary), this category was not intended to permit an institution to enjoy the benefits of competition with other member institutions while neglecting compliance responsibilities. Even when the violations reflect no willful effort to obtain a competitive advantage, other institutions in the membership are disadvantaged when a competitor does not meet the minimum requirements of institutional control.

Having classified this case as major, the committee is obligated to apply the mandatory minimum penalty schedule adopted by the Association unless the case can be classified as "unique." Ordinarily, the unique circumstances that would justify relief from the Association's mandatory penalties would include factors such as: prompt detection of violations; investigating and reporting violations to the NCAA; cooperating in the processing of the case, and initiating strong corrective and disciplinary measures before action by the committee. The committee gives great weight to such institutional actions in deciding the extent that a case presents unique circumstances. Other circumstances, although not as significant as these institutional measures, also may warrant viewing a major case as unique for some purposes. In this regard, the committee determined that this was a unique case in some respects.

In making its findings in this case, the committee took into account the university's own actions in adopting corrective and disciplinary measures for its men's basketball program. These actions are described in Part III of this report. The committee also took into account the university's commendable approach in its presentation to the committee of acknowledging the violations in this case and the university's deficiencies in procedures for maintaining institutional control. Because of these actions, the committee did not impose the full penalties identified in Bylaw 19.4.2.2. However, for the reasons set forth above in explaining why the committee regards this as a major case, the committee concluded it is appropriate to impose significant penalties. These penalties include: adoption of the university's own corrective actions concerning grant-in-aid limitations in the sport of men's basketball; off-campus recruiting activities, the number of official visits for [Page 5] prospects, and reorganization of the university's athletics department and men's basketball program. Additionally, the committee has concluded that a probationary period of two years, as required by the minimum penalty structure, should be imposed in order to provide a monitoring period while the university develops stronger procedures for institutional control. Also, the committee concluded that a prohibition on postseason competition for one year, as required by the minimum penalty structure, should be imposed. The committee did not believe it appropriate to require disciplinary action against any individual staff member of the university or to impose a television sanction, although these sanctions also are part of the minimum penalty structure.

The committee's findings are set forth in Part II of this report, and the committee's penalties are set forth in Part III.

II. Findings of violations, as determined by committee.

A. [NCAA Constitution 2.1, 2.5.1 and 6.01.1, and Bylaws 16.2.2.1 and 16.12.2.]

During the 1984-85, 1985-86, 1986-87 and 1987-88 academic years, the institution's athletics department and members of the men's basketball staff did not exercise appropriate institutional control with respect to the administration of certain responsibilities for compliance with NCAA rules concerning complimentary admissions for student-athletes, issuance of basketball shoes to student-athletes and other matters of rules compliance as specified below:

1. [NCAA Constitution 2.1, 2.5.1 and 6.01.1, and Bylaw 16.2.2.1]

During the 1985-86, 1986-87 and 1987-88 academic years, athletics department staff members did not exercise appropriate institutional control in monitoring the men's basketball complimentary admission lists; further, several members of the men's basketball team identified individuals as recipients of complimentary admissions for regular-season and Atlantic Coast Conference postseason men's basketball contests in exchange for cash or other items (a total value in excess of $1,000). Specifically:

a. During the 1985-86, 1986-87 and 1988-89 academic years, certain student-athletes received cash (as much as $150 per admission), stereo equipment and other items of value in exchange for these admissions.

b. Some men's basketball team managers, at the direction of several student-athletes, circumvented institutional procedures by deleting and adding the names of individuals on the complimentary admissions lists immediately prior to men's basketball contests; further, there were numerous instances [Page 6] during these years when individuals on the student-athletes' complimentary admissions lists were identified as family members, relatives and full-time students when, in fact, this information was false; further, on a number of occasions during these years, individuals were identified as family members and relatives of other student-athletes on the team; further, as a result of these practices, members of the men's basketball team provided complimentary admissions to individuals to whom NCAA rules did not permit them to provide complimentary admissions; further, although the institution had procedures in place to administer the complimentary admissions, monitoring activities were inadequate to ensure that the information contained on the lists was accurate, and athletics department staff members did not question the managers' actions when they amended the lists, and finally, the university had notice of the need to monitor the handling of complimentary admissions in the men's basketball program as a result of violations that the institution had detected in this area during the 1985-86 academic year and had reported to the NCAA.

2. [NCAA Constitution 2.1, 2.5.1 and 6.01.1, and Bylaw 16.12.2]

During the 1984-85, 1985-86, 1986-87 and 1987-88 academic years, the institution's athletics department and members of the men's basketball staff did not exercise appropriate institutional control concerning the use of basketball shoes by student-athletes in the sport of men's basketball. Specifically, excessive numbers of shoes were made available to members of the men's basketball team during this period, particularly in the 1984-85 and 1985-86 academic years; further, numerous student-athletes sold the basketball shoes that were issued to them to student-athletes in other sports at the university, as well as to other university students; further, several student-athletes exchanged the university's basketball shoes (an approximate value of $75) for both athletics shoes and apparel of equal value at a local sporting goods store, and finally, even though records were kept of the number of pairs of basketball shoes issued to each member of the men's basketball team, no monitoring activities occurred in order to ensure that the young men did not sell or exchange their shoes as described.

3. [NCAA Constitution 2.1, 2.5.1 and 6.01.1, and Bylaw 16.12.2]

The lack of adequate institutional control also is reflected in the following isolated incidents, which individually would be regarded by the committee as secondary in nature but in the context of the other violations found in this case are evidence of shortcomings in institutional control. Specifically: (a) on two occasions, representatives of the university's athletics interests provided one night's lodging and meals at the representatives' homes to student-athletes [reference: Bylaw 16.12.2.1]; (b) on [Page 7] several occasions during the 1986-87, 1987-88 and 1988-89 academic years, representatives of the university's athletics interests provided local automobile transportation and purchased meals for student-athletes [reference: Bylaw 16.12.2.1], and © in October 1986, during the official paid visit to the university's campus of a prospective student-athlete, a men's assistant basketball coach transported the young man a short distance off campus to meet with a former student-athlete in the sport of men's basketball [reference: Bylaw 13.01.5.1].

III. Committee on Infractions penalties.

For the reasons set forth in Part I of this report, the Committee on Infractions determined that this case involved a major violation of NCAA legislation that occurred after September 1, 1985. Accordingly, NCAA Bylaw 19.4.2.2, as adopted by the Association's membership, requires prescribed minimum penalties, "subject to exceptions authorized by the Committee on Infractions in unique cases on the basis of specifically stated reasons," that include: (a) a two-year probationary period (including a periodic, in-person monitoring system and written institutional reports); (b) the elimination of all expense-paid recruiting visits to the institution in the involved sport for one recruiting year; © a requirement that all coaching staff members in the sport be prohibited from engaging in any off-campus recruiting activities for one recruiting year; (d) a requirement that all institutional staff members determined by the Committee on Infractions knowingly to have engaged in or condoned a major violation be subject either to termination of employment, suspension without pay for at least one year or reassignment of duties within the institution to a position that does not include contact with prospective or enrolled student-athletes or representatives of the institution's athletics interests for at least one year; (e) one year of sanctions precluding postseason competition in the sport; (f) one year of sanctions precluding television appearances in the sport, and (g) institutional recertification that the current athletics policies and practices conform to all requirements of NCAA regulations.

However, the Committee on Infractions also has determined that this case is unique in some respects for the following reasons:

a. When public allegations of possible violations in the men's basketball program were made, the university contacted the NCAA enforcement staff immediately, requested a review of the institution's men's basketball program, and cooperated with the NCAA in the conduct of the investigation and processing of the case.

b. The university acknowledged the existence of the violations of NCAA rules described in this report, including its failure to have an adequate system for institutional control of its intercollegiate athletics programs. [Page 8]

c. The university has taken significant action to reorganize its athletics administration and to self-impose penalties on its men's basketball program, including: (1) reorganization of its athletics department to create a position for a full-time compliance officer, reassignment of responsibilities of some existing personnel, and separation of the positions of athletics director and men's head basketball coach; (2) revision of procedures for student-athletes in men's basketball to utilize complimentary admissions, including limiting such admissions only to members of the student-athlete's family who must be identified to and cleared by the department before the student-athlete may request an admission for such person; (3) revision of procedures for issuing basketball shoes to team members to require the student-athlete to account and pay for shoes issued if they are not returned, whatever the reason, when replacement equipment is obtained; (4) increasing information on NCAA rules for men's basketball team members, university booster groups and local merchants; (5) adoption of institutional requirements relating to academic performance by student-athletes; (6) adoption of an institutional drug-testing policy with mandatory testing and sanctions, and (7) imposition of penalties on its men's basketball program, which include: (a) no off-campus recruiting and no official paid visits during the 1989-90 academic year, (b) a limitation on athletics grants in men's basketball to a total of 12 for the 1990-91 and 1991-92 academic years, and © reduction in the men's basketball coaching staff for the 1989-90 and 1990-91 academic years to one head coach, two assistant coaches and one of the two other coaches permitted by NCAA legislation.

Accordingly, the committee did not apply the full scope of the prescribed penalties for major violations, but rather imposed the following additional penalties.

A. The university shall be publicly reprimanded and censured, and placed on probation for a period of two years from the date these penalties are imposed, which shall be the date the 15-day appeal period expires or the date the institution notifies the executive director that it will not appeal, whichever is earlier, or the date established by NCAA Council subcommittee action as a result of an appeal by the university to the Council, it being understood that should any portion of any of the penalties in this case be set aside for any reason other than by appropriate action of the Association, the penalties shall be reconsidered by the Committee on Infractions. Further, North Carolina State University shall be subject to the provisions of NCAA Bylaw 19.4.2.3 concerning repeat violators for a five-year period beginning on the effective date of the penalties in this case.

B. During this period of probation, the institution shall: (1) develop and implement a system for administrative control and monitoring to ensure compliance with NCAA legislation, which shall include, but not be limited to, economic audits of student-athletes in men's [Page 9] basketball to ensure that improper benefits are not being obtained through use of complimentary admissions or issuance of equipment; (2) design and implement a comprehensive educational program (e.g., seminars and testing) to instruct coaches and athletics department personnel on NCAA legislation, and (3) develop a system for monitoring the institution's compliance with NCAA rules, which includes appropriate checks and balances and oversight by appropriate faculty and/ or administrative representatives from outside the department of intercollegiate athletics -- a preliminary written report to be submitted to the enforcement staff by August 15, 1990, that sets forth a general review of its system for administrative control and institutional compliance with NCAA legislation, a schedule for establishing this compliance and educational program, and a final written report to the enforcement staff at the end of the probationary period. Such reports shall give particular emphasis to the administration of complimentary admissions to student-athletes and control of uniforms and equipment issued to student-athletes.

C. The institution's men's basketball team shall end its 1989-90 season with the playing of its last regularly scheduled, in-season contest and shall not be eligible to participate in any postseason competition, including a foreign tour, following that season.

D. The institution's men's basketball team shall not be eligible to appear on any "live" telecast (as defined by Bylaw 19.4.2.5.2) during the 1989-90 season. [NOTE: This penalty is immediately and completely suspended based upon the mitigating factors set forth above.]

E. As noted, the committee adopts the university's actions of self-imposed restrictions on the number of athletics grants-in-aid it may award during the 1990-91 and 1991-92 academic years. In this regard, the institution shall award no more than 12 athletically related grants-in-aid that are countable under Bylaw 15.02.3 in the sport of men's basketball; further, this limitation would not permit the university to terminate athletics aid for any current recipient who otherwise remains eligible for intercollegiate competition during the period of this penalty.

F. The institution shall eliminate all off-campus recruiting activities in the sport of men's basketball for a one-year period. [NOTE: Because the university has self-imposed an equivalent penalty on its men's basketball program, the committee adopts the institutional penalty in lieu of action specified in Bylaw 19.4.2.2-©, it being understood that the institutional prohibition shall remain in effect for the period September 1, 1989, to August 31, 1990, and shall have the same force and effect as if the provisions of Bylaw 19.4.2.2-© had been applied.] [Page 10]

G. The institution shall be prohibited from providing any expense-paid visit to the institution for prospective student-athletes in the sport of men's basketball for a one-year period. [NOTE: Because the university has self-imposed an equivalent penalty on its men's basketball program, the committee adopts the institutional penalty in lieu of action specified in Bylaw 19.4.2.2-(b), it being understood that the institutional prohibition shall remain in effect for the period from September 1, 1989, to August 31, 1990, and shall have the same force and effect as if the provisions of Bylaw 19.4.2.2-(b) had been applied.]

H. Bylaw 19.4.2.2-(d) of the minimum penalty provisions requires action with respect to the athletically related employment responsibilities of institutional employees "determined by the committee knowingly to have engaged in or condoned a major violation . . . ." In this regard, the university has taken action to restructure its athletics department in order to achieve a higher level of understanding of, and compliance with, NCAA legislation. The university has separated the positions of director of athletics and men's head basketball coach, established a new position for a compliance officer and reassigned the duties of other individuals. Additionally, to ensure that the athletics program has sufficient time to educate its coaches on NCAA rules and regulations, the university has limited the size of its men's basketball staff for the 1989-90 and 1990-91 academic years to no more than a head coach, two assistants and one additional coach (who will be either a volunteer coach or a part-time coach as permitted by NCAA legislation).

[NOTE: The committee adopts this institutional action in lieu of action specified in Bylaw 19.4.2.2-(d), it being understood that any changes in the university's restructuring of its athletics department from the plans presented to the committee will be reported to the committee; further, the committee reserves the right to reconsider the penalties in this case and to take further action in light of such changes.]

[NOTE: Should North Carolina State University appeal either the findings of violations or proposed penalties in this case to the NCAA Council subcommittee of Division I members, the Committee on Infractions will submit an expanded infractions report to the members of the Council who will consider the appeal. This expanded report will include additional information in accordance with Bylaw 32.8.5. A copy of the committee's report would be provided to the institution prior to the institution's appearance before the Council subcommittee and, as required by Bylaw 32.8.6, would be released to the public.

Also, the Committee on Infractions wishes to advise the institution that when the penalties in this case become effective, the institution should take every precaution to ensure that their terms are observed; further, the committee intends to monitor the penalties during their effective [Page 11] periods, and any action contrary to the terms of any of the penalties shall be considered grounds for extending the institution's probationary period, as well as to consider imposing more severe sanctions in this case, and finally, should any actions by NCAA Conventions directly or indirectly modify any provision of these penalties or the effect of the penalties, the committee reserves the right to review and reconsider the penalties.]

NCAA COMMITTEE ON INFRACTIONS

Roy F. Kramer

Beverly E. Ledbetter

Thomas J. Niland Jr.

John E. Nowak

Milton R. Schroeder (acting chair)

MRS:cg

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SchoolZone
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The university reported that during this period, there were as many as 650 erroneous designations for use of admissions, and a few improper designations continued to occur even into the 1988-89 season when the institution was reviewing its administrative practices in this area. Moreover, the university had reason to know that it needed to take preventive action to avoid problems in this area. During the 1985-86 season, in response to national attention to problems at other institutions concerning complimentary admissions, the university detected, took disciplinary action, and reported to the NCAA violations relating to complimentary admissions in the men's basketball program. Nonetheless, no improvement occurred in managing complimentary admissions, and improper designations of individuals on the complimentary lists continued to occur. Even team managers were able to make changes and designate persons who would be able to use the basketball team members' complimentary admissions.


suck on that, peckerhead80
SchoolZone
bttt for peckerhead80's faggot ass.
staugiedoggie
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Dear Jim,

Please excuse the handwriting but I want this to be personal and not something off a typewriter or a computer. If you have trouble reading this, I apologize, but it is the best I can do. I am writing because I have become very fond of you throughout the course of the investigation. I guess we are not good friends, but as friendly as we can become through meeting under these circumstances. When I was first assigned this case I had no idea what you were all about. I had some knowledge of you from your TV appearances and I suspected I might encounter some smart-@#%$ egomaniac who would try to @#%$ me.

Those impressions vanished after I met you and spent some time around you just listening to your philosophy about basketball, academics, life and other things we touched on. I consider myself a fairly good judge of character after the experiences I have had here, and I have come to believe that you are one of the best people I have met in intercollegiate athletics and one of the best people I have met period.

I do not know the pressures you operate under, I do not know how your family has been affected by these proceedings, I guess I can’t know how you feel about your status at N.C. State because I don’t walk in your shoes and finally, I know you are not stupid or crazy and will make decisions based on your good judgment. Anyway, what all this leads up to is what I told you before in your office: you’re good for intercollegiate athletics, good for N.C. State and good for the NCAA. I hope you stay at N.C. State and continue to do as you’ve always done and not change anything about your methods or your personality. If I had a son, I would feel comfortable with you as his coach and encourage him to learn from you. So, anyway, for what it’s worth, if you are thinking about leaving N.C. State, please make that decision based on sound reasons (I know you will) and not because of some outside influence or a whim. I've grown to like you and respect you very much. I cannot say that about many people I have encountered in this job. If you decide to leave N.C. State, I know it will be because it is the best decision for you and your family -but it will be a big loss for the university, the ACC, the NCAA and the City of Raleigh. If I can support or help in any way, I will.

You have a lot of supporters and admirers nationwide. I hope you get some comfort from them. Please hang in there as best you can.

Best personal regards,

Dave Didion

Investigator, NCAA

Lee Corso
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suck on that, peckerhead80


For the 1000th time....Valvano was stretched to thin and was guilty of LACK OF INSTITUTIONAL CONTROL...just like the report says. Valvano didn't approve any ticket or shoe giveaways. Roy personally approved coat and cash giveaways.
Dread
I'm trying to figure out how you get lack of institutional control for shoes and tickets?

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staugiedoggie
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I'm trying to figure out how you get lack of institutional control for shoes and tickets?

huh.gif huh.gif huh.gif



cuz dean said
Carlos the Jackal
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cuz dean said

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SchoolZone
QUOTE(Lee Corso @ Jan 17 2007, 12:53 AM) *

For the 1000th time....Valvano was stretched to thin and was guilty of LACK OF INSTITUTIONAL CONTROL...just like the report says. Valvano didn't approve any ticket or shoe giveaways. Roy personally approved coat and cash giveaways.


Still claming "V didn't know" huh?

Read the fekking report again.
Dread
I did read the report. Mentioned shoes and (if I understand) 650 instances of tickets. Nowhere did it say that V KNEW.

What the report does IMPLY is that he SHOULD HAVE KNOWN. Which is, of course, total horse droppings.
paxno1
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Read the fekking report again.

Hey hairball, how many fekkin' times do you need an ass-whuppin' before something sinks into that concrete skull of yours? V didn't know in the beginning... he was informed and instituted steps to halt it... his instructions weren't carried out and he was slapped with 'lack of inst control' for not being thorough enough in his follow-up... end of story. He NEVER OK'D IT. ol'payoff, otoh, OK'd the giving of illegal gifts... plain and simple.

Do you want to get into the 'gaining a competetive edge = cheating' argument again, 'cause I'll be glad to take you to school on that one again, too.
SchoolZone
This is not that difficult.

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The university reported that during this period, there were as many as 650 erroneous designations for use of admissions, and a few improper designations continued to occur even into the 1988-89 season when the institution was reviewing its administrative practices in this area. Moreover, the university had reason to know that it needed to take preventive action to avoid problems in this area. During the 1985-86 season, in response to national attention to problems at other institutions concerning complimentary admissions, the university detected, took disciplinary action, and reported to the NCAA violations relating to complimentary admissions in the men's basketball program. Nonetheless, no improvement occurred in managing complimentary admissions, and improper designations of individuals on the complimentary lists continued to occur. Even team managers were able to make changes and designate persons who would be able to use the basketball team members' complimentary admissions.


Dread - The university knew and took steps to try and stop it yet you expect anyone to buy this garbage that the head coach AND ATHLETIC DIRECTOR had absolutely no clue it was going on? How the hell do you NOT get lack of institutional control when the institution cannot control something as simple as shoes and tickets? blink.gif

Fekking ridiculous...even for this board.

And Roy didn't okay shit, paxno11 you fekking dork. He referred the boosters to KU's Complaince deptartment which is what he is supposed to do. The difference here is that Valvano WAS ncsu's compliance department seeing as there wasn't one and he was the Athletic Director. It was his job to oversee compliance which he obviously didn't do.
paxno1
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He referred the boosters to KU's Complaince deptartment

And yet NO ONE other than the ol' cheat himself has ANY recollection of this. Do you not find it the least bit odd that the ncaa would take the word of one man over the word of an entire dept? Well, unless of course that man just happened to be the former HEAD of its rules committee... rolleyes.gif


And btw, MOST schools didn't have Compliance Depts back in the mid-80's to begin with. Try again.
SchoolZone
Most did not have a compliance dept, no shit Sherlock. And thanks to the Valvano debacle, now they do. Why the fek do you think I made the comment that V was ncsu's compliance department?

There was a lack of control at cow college because your head coach and athletic director was cheating and there wasn't anybody there to put a stop to it.

Good job proving my point, dorkus.

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Do you not find it the least bit odd that the ncaa would take the word of one man over the word of an entire dept?


Firstly, Roy isn't the "lone man" against an entire department. There are boatloads of people who will and have vouched for Roy. Do some homework, asswipe and quit being such a pussy with this "the NCAA is biased" nonsense. It is a crock of shit.

Secondly, why would the NCAA fekking take KU's Compliance office's word seeing as MULTIPLE SEVERE violations were running rampant throughout its entire athletic department?
staugiedoggie
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Firstly, Roy isn't the "lone man" against an entire department. There are boatloads of people who will and have vouched for Roy.


yeah, we know. they post on IC regularly and some venture over here
Dread
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yeah, we know. they post on IC regularly and some venture over here


I don't care who ya are - that's funny.
wopacker1980
Getting back to the title of the thread, Doughboy missed another game on the 17th against NJ and is questionable for tonight.
That brings his total of DNP's to 7 ....... and counting.Doughboy's lines

This kid will probably miss another 10 or 12 games this season maybe try another at CLT then get traded off (if anyone will want him).
SchoolZone
So did you read the report that was posted which you asked for, peckerhead?

Guess not.

Chump.
wopacker1980
May's Line

Doughboy started off with a bang and the holes were crowin' about the 'coming-out' of Doughboy.
Now he missed 11 of 43 games and it looks like this knee injury could have some long term effects.
On the 17th of January I predicted that he would miss another 11 or 12 games.
Since then he's missed 5.
I may have been too conservative!
wopacker1980
I was too conservative!
May has not played since like January 16th or something.

He's played in 32 games and missed 25.

Here's what Scott Fowler said in today's Daily tarhole Southern Edition:
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“I'm starting to think Sean May's recurrent injury problems mean he will never develop into the sort of NBA player the Charlotte Bobcats thought he could be.” Scott Fowler

Link

Dame Sherlock! You are one on the ball reporter!
You could have read that on CSuxs on draft day two years ago!

Anybody have the number for Vince Carter's agent?!
Dread
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I'm starting to think Sean May's recurrent injury problems mean he will never develop into the sort of NBA player the Charlotte Bobcats thought he could be.” Scott Fowler


Hi and welcome to two years ago.
Lee Corso
The only damn reason Bobcat Johnson drafted May (and Felton for that matter) is to stock up on unc players to fill the stands. How's that working out?
lebo421
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The only damn reason Bobcat Johnson drafted May


I'll give you May. Felton will be a legitimately good(maybe great IMO) NBA pg, though.
DevilDJ
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The only damn reason Bobcat Johnson drafted May (and Felton for that matter) is to stock up on unc players to fill the stands. How's that working out?

Exactly.Hell,Charlotte doesn't even want that team.Fek the attendance numbers too(I haven't looked).Joe Blow is always lookin' for some family entertainment at a reasonable price.Also,they could stock it with more holes(if that's possible) and it wouldn't make much difference.Also,I think the Bobcats OVER-estimated the benefits of having a roster full of unx'ers.For every 1 fan that they gain by adding a hole,they lose a handful of abc'ers.They should've never signed fatazz or touche and never let mj near the front office.Eff 'em.
82 93 05
QUOTE(Lee Corso @ Feb 27 2007, 05:32 PM) *

The only damn reason Bobcat Johnson drafted May (and Felton for that matter) is to stock up on unc players to fill the stands. How's that working out?

If that was the only reason, then wouldn't (future All-Star waiting for the "right team" to come along) Julius Hodge have been signed yet? How much must Hodge SUCK when not even the Bobcats have any interest?
wopacker1980
You don't understand there, the Center City Partners is full-up with holes and they got Bobcat Bob to drink the cool-aide.
All holes think the basketball universe revolves around them.

In addition holes would never encourage getting anyone from Duke or State especially but not even from another ACC school!
That's how proud and arrogant holes are!
President of CCP a hole!

In '03 Michael Smith was saying to Bobcat Bob, "Listen don't worry about that stupid vote, I have plenty of xarolina friends on the City Council and well get you the nicest arena in the NBA! Fans will flock there!"

I could just hear ole Michael in '04, "Listen Bob, all you need to do to be successful around here is get a couple of xarolina players on your roster and the fans will flock to the games!"

In '06 Michael was saying, "Listen Bob, what you need is to get MJ involved. Folks around here think MJ walks on water. All he has to do is show up at the arena and fans will flock to the games! Just cut MJ in for a piece of the action and you'll see!"

This year he'll be saying, "Bob listen, you have this team right on the edge of busting out, what would put you over teh top is to move Bernie to the front office and bring in Don Deano for a couple of seasons! The fans will flock to see him!"
Dread
I've only been to one game in CHarlotte and it was waay back in the 90's. The neighborhood wasn't THAT bad and it was easy enough to get in and out without a three hour wait in traffic.

=> Cut to Las Vegas where apparently the nba is doing damage control <=

If a team sucks, and is located in a bad area, well, that's a recipe for financial disaster. Joe WHITE six-pack is not going to risk his family or wallet to see TUGHS half-asing it up and down the court for $250 bucks.

In all honesty, talk of the nba going "international" is similar to MLB talking about expansion. $$ driven. The nba needs to CONTRACT. Toronto, CHarlotte and New Orleans need to be dx'ed. MAYBE a team in Oklahoma City (which sold out or nearly quite a bit when NO was there).

OR we do this =>

Put teams in London, Beijing, Moscow, Caracas, and a few other hot spots. (NY, LA). One game a week for 32 weeks then a 10 week playoff. THink ROllerball 2 with a hoop and more TUGGHERY.
Lee Corso
QUOTE(lebo421 @ Feb 27 2007, 04:37 PM) *

I'll give you May. Felton will be a legitimately good(maybe great IMO) NBA pg, though.


I don't doubt one bit that Felton will be good/great.

Now that BobcatJ has given control of the team to Michael friggin Jordan it is all downhill. He proved that in Washington.
The guy doesn't want his image on the jumbotron. He just wants to be a sort of "silent partner".
The person that hires MJ for his brains and not as the facade is a complete idiot. MJ IS A FACADE by trade.
Amazing.

Draft Wright AND Hansbro next year. That'll bring 'em in. Attendance is pitiful. It can't get much worse.

fwiw, if the Bobcats were playing on Peters Creek Parkway I wouldn't go see them even if I had free tix.

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How much must Hodge SUCK when not even the Bobcats have any interest?


The Bobcats have made it a policy to make their arena a unc thugfest hip hop blaring spectacle.
No thanks. Hodge wouldn't fit in. He'll fit in somewhere, but not Charlotte.
PhilFordsVehicle
Fatass Sid can't even last a whole game pacing back and forth on the bench.
Carlos the Jackal
QUOTE(DevilDJ @ Feb 27 2007, 11:40 PM) *

I think the Bobcats OVER-estimated the benefits of having a roster full of unx'ers.

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QUOTE(PhilFordsVehicle @ Feb 28 2007, 08:36 PM) *

Fatass Sid can't even last a whole game pacing back and forth on the bench.

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82 93 05
QUOTE(Lee Corso @ Feb 28 2007, 09:15 PM) *

The Bobcats have made it a policy to make their arena a unc thugfest hip hop blaring spectacle.
No thanks. Hodge wouldn't fit in. He'll fit in somewhere, but not Charlotte.


and yet Hodge sits there, available to any team that might want him. And no one calls....
lebo421
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No thanks. Hodge wouldn't fit in.


If it's a THUGFEST you're talking about, Hodge would fit in PERFECTLY. Damn, he's from fekking Harlem.
Dread
Hodge is about as much a TUGH as you guys are unc alum.
wopacker1980
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"Fatass Sid can't even last a whole game pacing back and forth on the bench." moped 2/28


Thank you moped for your interesting and insightful comment to the SEAN DOUGHBOY MAY thread.

And you expect to be taken seriously.
But please, continue to be the grammar patrol.

(BTW, 83-79; Sid manged to tough out a whole game that day didn't he!)
PhilFordsVehicle
QUOTE(wopacker1980 @ Mar 1 2007, 08:18 AM) *

Thank you moped for your interesting and insightful comment to the SEAN DOUGHBOY MAY thread.

And you expect to be taken seriously.
But please, continue to be the grammar patrol.

(BTW, 83-79; Sid manged to tough out a whole game that day didn't he!)

My point was that it's kinda funny how you tools crow about Sean May (who does MooU have in the NBA that's better?? laugh.gif ) and how he always gets injured when your coach's fat ass can't even stand up for more than a few minutes without being sent to the hospital tongue.gif
wopacker1980
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"My point was that it's kinda funny how you tools crow about Sean May (who does MooU have in the NBA that's better?? ) and how he always gets injured when your coach's fat ass can't even stand up for more than a few minutes without being sent to the hospital"

Like I said:
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And you expect to be taken seriously.
But please, continue to be the grammar patrol.


Oh let's see, Sid misses 1/2 of one game in 28 so that's 2% of the season he missed because he was sick.

Doughboy has missed 25 of 57 OH WAIT now it's 26 of 58 games which is 44.8%

And you want to be taken seriously making that comparison?
wopacker1980
Oh rolls, for that 'original idea' that you had on doughboy I thought I'd throw this thread back up for you where you said:
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Year //Team G GS MPG //FG% 3p% FT% OFF DEF RPG APG SPG //BPG //TO //PF //PPG
06-07 CHA 27 6 //23.6 .510 /.000 .798 //2.1 4.6 /6.7 /1.8 //0.4 //0.7 //1.70 /2.70 12.0

seems pretty good for the minutes

rolls post#48


Note that this thread was started in January
carolinarolls
QUOTE(wopacker1980 @ Jun 14 2007, 06:03 PM) *

Oh rolls, for that 'original idea' that you had on doughboy I thought I'd throw this thread back up for you where you said:
Note that this thread was started in January


Twice now I am saying that its not an original idea for anybody..its fact. He has struggled with injuries for two seasons. I realize your old tired ass needs to feel important at every opportunity but this just isn't one of them. I doubt there have ever been any in your case.

When will you get that?



No. I'm done with your dumb ass here. If you don't understand at least that much you are now banned from the conversation.
blueduke
The early vote on May is that he's staring "draft bust" right in the face. Yes he's been often injured. why is that though? B/c he's too fat and out of shape and thus far he's shown little if any inclination to get in shape. He's just a big fat bobblehead signing bum. That's been Wopack's assessment along with everybody elses
carolinarolls
QUOTE(blueduke @ Jun 15 2007, 11:53 AM) *

The early vote on May is that he's staring "draft bust" right in the face. Yes he's been often injured. why is that though? B/c he's too fat and out of shape and thus far he's shown little if any inclination to get in shape. He's just a big fat bobblehead signing bum. That's been Wopack's assessment along with everybody elses



Draft bust?
what does the make mask, I mean Dunleavy?

Christian Laettner?
Danny Ferry?
Julius Hodge?

..and is that you're professional medical opinion concerning his injuries? I realize he's not svelte but he never has been. He'll get healthy and play well, because he does when he is, or he'll get pushed out of the league on a gurney...like a bunch of talented kids have.
Dread
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I mean Dunleavy?


Still in league. Thin. Came out a year early. Averaged 12 & 5 in 70 + odd games last year.


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Christian Laettner?


Despite being (mis) played at center for portions of his career, has averaged 12 & 7.

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Danny Ferry?


Went to Europe. HUGE mistake. Think he's a GM now.


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Julius Hodge?


Undersized guy whose game didn't translate well into the nba. Last I saw he had been waived by the Bucks.

carolinarolls
QUOTE(Dread @ Jun 15 2007, 01:00 PM) *

Still in league. Thin. Came out a year early. Averaged 12 & 5 in 70 + odd games last year.
Despite being (mis) played at center for portions of his career, has averaged 12 & 7.
Went to Europe. HUGE mistake. Think he's a GM now.
Undersized guy whose game didn't translate well into the nba. Last I saw he had been waived by the Bucks.



You forgot..all drafted higher or drafted period into a situation to big for their talent and production in the league.



It's nice to add a little fact to your rosy excuses once in a while just for the sake of clarity.
Dread
Dunleavy was a 3, Laettner a 2 or 3, Ferry can't remember and Hodge was 16 or so.

May was a * 5 *, so until he averages 12 & 5 over 70 games he doesn't equal Dunleavy or Laettner. Hodge, well, can't call him a bust, I think if he wants it, he'll have a good overseas career.

Sorta like cota or jawad.
carolinarolls
QUOTE(Dread @ Jun 15 2007, 01:11 PM) *

Dunleavy was a 3, Laettner a 2 or 3, Ferry can't remember and Hodge was 16 or so.

May was a * 5 *, so until he averages 12 & 5 over 70 games he doesn't equal Dunleavy or Laettner. Hodge, well, can't call him a bust, I think if he wants it, he'll have a good overseas career.

Sorta like cota or jawad.



wow

two top three picks that you see as valid only because you are comparing them to a 5 that has been hurt for two seasons and hasn't played in 50% of the games.

gotcha

I guess by your own criteria, the positive thing in the NBA is not to be productive as a top 5 pick, but consistently average and healthy. Like most of the late 2nd rounders who make it more than a year?


..and you're sure you're not a GM somewhere??
Dread
If you can't get on the floor - you aren't contributing. So yes a TOP-5 pick who has been injury prone due to his FATNESS has a LOOONG way to go before he should be mentioned in the same breath as folks who have been contributing for years.

TOP-5 is LOTTERY PICK. He was the WRONG choice for the WRONG reasons. It's one thing to be unable to play because your ankle is torn to shreds or you got hit by a guy driving with no lights on.

It's QUITE ANOTHER when you are TOO FEKKING FAT for your OWN BODY.
carolinarolls
QUOTE(Dread @ Jun 15 2007, 01:41 PM) *

If you can't get on the floor - you aren't contributing. So yes a TOP-5 pick who has been injury prone due to his FATNESS has a LOOONG way to go before he should be mentioned in the same breath as folks who have been contributing for years.

TOP-5 is LOTTERY PICK. He was the WRONG choice for the WRONG reasons. It's one thing to be unable to play because your ankle is torn to shreds or you got hit by a guy driving with no lights on.

It's QUITE ANOTHER when you are TOO FEKKING FAT for your OWN BODY.


So Laettner and mask actually "panned out" as top 3's in your opinion with those numbers?

I'm just asking here. And i would prefer an answer tht did not start with"compared to..."

just speaking in general here
Dread
Who is "mask" ?
Carlos the Jackal
QUOTE(Dread @ Jun 15 2007, 01:41 PM) *

... has a LOOONG way to go before he should be mentioned in the same breath as folks who have been contributing...

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carolinarolls
QUOTE(Dread @ Jun 15 2007, 01:57 PM) *

Who is "mask" ?


Dunleavy Jr....sorry
Dread
Obviously May hasn't done as much as Dunleavy. For one the latter has been in the league averaging 12 & 5 for what? Three years now?
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