NCAA Crawls Some unx Azz Options

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posting the worst academic fraud case in ACC History, involving 4-5 mens sports, professors, guidance officials, and coaches, that would blow FSU's case out of the water, with well over 100 of atheltes is bout as "factual" as this redneck was gonna get. i think i landed pretty close to the truth, if not hit the bullseye over 16 months ago...but keep it coming

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Posted: Today 7:24 PM



Waffle, I'll ask this question knowing your answer may be limited by your desire to avoid burning your sources.

Assumption: you have sources inside unc, and that is where a lot of your info comes from. (Correct this assumption if it's wrong.)

So, this would indicate that *unc* knew about "the worst academic fraud case in ACC History, involving 4-5 mens sports, professors, guidance officials, and coaches, that would blow FSU's case out of the water, with well over 100 of athletes" "over 16 months ago."

Is that fair to say? And, does this mean that the NCAA was in on it, or does it mean that unc lied its *** off to the NCAA?

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Posted: Today 7:40 PM



of course they knew. everyone over there knew and has known for years. thats why i was astonished when they had the arrogance to fight the mcadoo case whether they were behind it or not.

ncaa--i have no clue what the ncaa knew regarding nyangaro and the swahili classes. the stuff posted in the noa focused on wiley and the players which is small fries compared to the systemic cheating being done from crowder--nyangarao--walden--the coaches and academic supports staff of both football and basketball


before the final report dropped rumors out of chapel hill focused on a 2nd noa coming out, i still the ncaa will issue something, especially if the lastest news goes national...if this were notre dame, usc, or an SEC school it would be front page news but its still considered a "football" story by the media...that s what s amazing, its a basketball & football story now, and the academic fraud that took place was started by basketball years ago, many journalist are just ignoring it and hoping it goes away

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im not talking about football players like greg little and uncle jethro getting cars im talking about assistant coaches and administrators getting sweet heart deals.....but for what in return? im no manalishi when it comes to diggin up auto records and and have no idea how orange co property taxes are done online or if autos are even recorded for public but thats the direction i was told to look

[DevilDJ]

Latest Bob Lee...

“Rasputin Won’t Die” aka Great Unpleasantness Update

July 9, 12: I promised an Andy Griffith column today, but Andy isn’t going anywhere. He can wait a while longer. Rasputin wouldn’t die and neither will The Great Unpleasantness. A “new story” hit the street yesterday that is really just a rehash of an earlier story but, of course, it has the lynch mob swinging from the chandeliers. We better inject a few soupcons of Truth into the boiling cauldron......

Julius Ny’angoro was running an academic fraud flimflam. He was being paid to teach various summer school courses over a period of at least four years that he did not in fact teach. Students signed up for those courses were given grades and credit hours for performing no classwork of any significance. A very high percentage of those students were “student-athletes” (never has that silly term been any more abused)

The above meets all the qualifications for academic fraud. This is serious. This is a major embarrassment for the Univ of North carolina as an institution and for everyone connected to the institution.

That this fraud was directly connected to enhancing the ongoing athletic eligibility of the student-athletes is an obvious and correct conclusion.

The level of legal malfeasance and/or NCAA malfeasance is to be determined but both are considered quite likely.

This is all moving inexorably towards some “end game” on some appointed day yet to be revealed. The Death by 10,000 Rumors stalks the sports bars, the monkey boards, and the not-quite-so-hallowed-anymore halls of academe in Chapel Hill. Surely everyone knows somebody who has heard from someone that (fill in a gory resolution that leaves fired and decaying bodies strewn across the campus of the vaunted flagship.)

There are more alternative endings to this tale being bantered about in the hairshirt community than there are options on a Clue board. ...... “the Swahili professor in the library with a candlestick”

Alas, when dawn’s early light does finally signal an end to these darkest hours – there will be more unrequited expectations and more disappointments than the morning after a high school prom.

Those bug-eyed crazies on both extreme ends of this teeter-totter will be disappointed in the outcome. But don’t feel bad for these goobers. Both the hard-line “carolina Way” squirrels and the “We Hate carolina 24/7 Just Because....” crowd are both quite used to disappointments. Success doesn’t have their addresses and in their respective black hearts, they’ve always known that.

There will be new characters in the final acts of this melodrama. Names you have not heard yet who will fill in “the who and the how” of the puzzle. Certainly Julius had co-conspirators beyond “Warren Martin’s girlfriend”. Certainly there were acolytes within the Athletic Dept steering the “student-athletes” to Julius. Their names WILL come out.

Certainly Royz Boyz will eventually be drawn in. That Ol’ Roy is in denial is just Ol’ Roy being Ol’ Roy. Who else would Ol’ Roy be?

Was one crooked AfAm professor with four faux-classes enough to keep Butcher’s dozens of student-thug-aletes eligible for three years? No. Does this mean there are more bodies in the wreckage? Yep.

Of course, The Lynch Mob and whats left of Butcher’s Boyz want the head of Holden Thorp on a spike. It’s about a 98% certainty that ain’t gonna happen. Nor does it need to happen. Knowing what I know, it should not happen.

The #1 mistake that Holden Thorp committed was not getting himself a real Athletics Director four years ago. Chancellor Thorp assuming that Dickie Baddour had the slightest clue how Butcher was finessing his SEC-level recruits thru unc’s academic maze was Holden’s fatal flaw.

Both Dickie’s Fabulous Farewell Tour and Julius’ Flying The Coop Without a Perp Walk are controversial and rightly so. I understand the reasoning behind both decisions and disagree vehemently with both decisions. There are many reasons my opinion was not asked until after-the-fact.

Julius is, I understand, “abroad” in an African country with no extradition treaty. Is Julius a real low-life lying scumbag? Yes. Was Julius “getting something” for his part in the grade fraud? Yes. What? Don’t know but we will eventually learn “what”.

The Chancellor, the Brd of Trustees and the Brd of Governors were all UNBELIEVABLY naïve to the reality of Big Time College Football. Were they drunk on the sanctity of the mythical carolina Way? Absolutely. Should they be held liable for their naivete? Yes, to a degree. Will they be beheaded for it. No, they won’t.

Are some of them still naïve? Yes, some of them will always be immune to the reality of big time college athletics. How come? Because it is a world light years from anything they have ever known. Could they even “handle the truth”? Some can.. Some can't.

Hannah Gage and Marvin Austin would never be an e-Harmony match. Enough said.

Are their counterparts at other universities across America equally naïve about big time college athletics. Yep. Could “something like this” erupt on any campus in BCS Land. Sure. Does that pardon unc for it happening here? Not in the slightest.

The wild & wooly conspiracy theories involving 100s of sneaky administrators and eeeevil fat cats plotting and carrying out labyrinthian schemes over decades is simply “how board monkeys came to be called board monkeys”. Those sad souls live for these occasions..... and wallow in them like pigs in mud. They fantasize about their hated rivals getting their comeuppances..... and about dating cheerleaders. Neither fantasy ever comes true. They are used to it.

There ARE several more embarrassing shoes to fall in all this. Enough that uncers will piss ‘n moan. Not enough to keep ABCers from also pissin’ ‘n moanin’.

500 ABCers DEMANDING swift justice versus one ABCer demanding swift justice 500 times. Either way, the N&O comment boards get 500 views. Will ABCers ever stop screeching their hatred of unc? They were screeching their hatred of unc long before Marvin Austin was born. Nothing will ever stop that. Certainly not “releasing the 216 phone records”.

Will the scars from this mess ever fully heal at unc? Not for a very very long time. Such is the price an institution pays for reading its own press clippings and a false belief in its own infallibility.... and keeping Dickie around as AD.

On a scale of 1-10 with 10 being tops..... Going back to Marvin’s first tweet, how has this glorious mess been handled by unc? Maybe a 3. What’s the best anyone could have realistically hoped for? Maybe a 5.

BobLee

OK , holes. There it is. Some shots at abc'ers but , in the end , this article doesn't paint a pretty picture for the future of unx football OR basketball. Unfortunately , that gridiron program will never get the comeuppance and punishment it so richly deserves but , clearly , something stinks to high ( wuzz-blue ) heaven on the hill. How do we know? An "insider"...an "alum"... just laid it all out. Roy's gonna take a hit. The prof wasn't alone. unx doesn't get off scot-free because "everybody does it." The "carolina way" has always been bs and those believing in it are ( and always have been ) delusional. Shet was set up for the sole purpose of keepin' affleetz eligible...a much more serious crime than merely herding jocks towards easy classes. And , finally , this is one more ginormous black eye to the flagship. IOW , we were right. Always have been. That said , I'd really like some tarhole thoughts on this latest column. Sure , I expect a healthy dose of "Go fuk yourself , strip-club DJ" but in addition to that , I'd really be interested in some honest evaluations of BL's column.

[pertsix]

who?

[rachelix]

I think he nailed it when he said

melodrama

[Champs 5 times]

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OK , holes. There it is. Some shots at abc'ers but , in the end , this article doesn't paint a pretty picture for the future of unx football OR basketball. Unfortunately , that gridiron program will never get the comeuppance and punishment it so richly deserves but , clearly , something stinks to high ( wuzz-blue ) heaven on the hill. How do we know? An "insider"...an "alum"... just laid it all out. Roy's gonna take a hit. The prof wasn't alone. unx doesn't get off scot-free because "everybody does it." The "carolina way" has always been bs and those believing in it are ( and always have been ) delusional. Shet was set up for the sole purpose of keepin' affleetz eligible...a much more serious crime than merely herding jocks towards easy classes. And , finally , this is one more ginormous black eye to the flagship. IOW , we were right. Always have been. That said , I'd really like some tarhole thoughts on this latest column. Sure , I expect a healthy dose of "Go fuk yourself , strip-club DJ" but in addition to that , I'd really be interested in some honest evaluations of BL's column.

What do I think? Well, when I came to unc as a freshman I immediately heard from everyone that Swahili was the easiest class on campus. Everybody knew, and nearly everyone who needed to take a foreign language credit (I tested out) tried to take it. Athletes had priority registration before other groups of students, so they got first pick of classes. Most of the easy classes then got filled by athletes. But they weren't exploiting some loophole that other students didn't know about. In fact, dirty little secret, many of the "honors" courses at unc were even easier then the ones they put the athletes in, and several professors only let in students they "knew" from other courses.

That being said, I personally was in two difficult classes with Tyler Hansbrough in 2009. Gen Ed requirements. He came to class more than I did. One professor wasn't even sure who he was (don't be surprised, the vast majority of the faculty couldn't care less about sports). If he didn't get the special treatment and free A's during that season, then I can't imagine who would have.

There are lazy teachers out there, and even lazier grad students. I know a guy who wouldn't even start grading math papers until he was halfway through a fifth of jameson. Nyang'oro picking up a paycheck while sitting on a beach somewhere "teaching classes" doesn't really seem totally implausible to me. Students wouldn't rat him out, it's a win-win for all parties. I look for the incompetent and lazy option before the malicious one. So do I think that there was a widespread plan to put athletes in classes that didn't exist? Not really. Why? Because there was no need for the people involved to open themselves up to that level of risk. They can make athletes eligible through other perfectly dubious (but entire legal) methods.

Here's what I think happened: Advisors have access to all professors grade distributions. They know what classes are easy and which professors are easy. They see Nyangoro (among others, I'm sure) handing out like 98% A's and they are going to put dumb athletes in there. That doesn't necessarily mean they were in on some sort of sham.

That being said, I still think Butch is crooked as all hell. But I don't think he had the pull on that campus to really rig up a favorable academic conspiracy. Keep in mind, the vast majority of professors at unc would much sooner see sports abolished then help to keep athletes eligible.

[DevilDJ]

who?

'Bout what I expected. Thanks. I guess. Bob Lee AKA Agent Pierce....

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Lowco.... I know some of "those unc types" you describe and I avoid them. I don't tailgate with them or otherwise socialize with them.... but yes, "they" do exist. A sad, scary lot.
Among my "State friends" none know anything about "cows" except how to grill them. One did grow up on a farm but has worn a suit & tie for the past 30 years. But the negative stereotypes about "State fans" has some truth too. All stereotypes are rooted in some truth.
Texas and aTm fans play the exact same stereotype wars. So do UVa and VaTech. That anyone truly believes such exaggerated crap about one another is a bit frightening. :-(

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Pigs are flying to Hell to ice skate BELO. We absolutely agree on the hoped for reform that this might initiate. Its going to take more than you & I on board to do it however.

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to ncsobx.... the plethora of raging vitriol vs unc that you read in these comment boards is deceiving. 90% of it comes from the same dozen or so posters on any unc scandal story. 500 anti-unc comments by 500 random posters is one thing. 500 comments from the same 6-8 constipated souls EVERY day is something entirely different. Scroll thru that article from the past three days and tally up the names of the hard-core handful.
I have as many State, Wake, ECU and even Duke friends as I do fellow unc alums. Sure, this mess is a lively discussion topic and there is a lot of good-natured kidding going on.... but the toxic sludge you read here is not the norm among normal adults.
As for those partisan fan-forums.... why would you ever go there?
None of this is to say that unc doesn't deserve considerable criticism for what has happened. It does.

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ahhhh.... one of the handful of regular raging ranters rises to the bait. :-)
Quite illegal activities took place for nefarious reasons. Proper oversight was non-existant. The resultant "handling" has certainly not been as thorough nor as expediant as it should have been. I have favored a thorough "independent investigation" for well over a year. I continue to favor such. I also warned about what "hiring Butch Davis" would likely mean. I have collected a lot of "I told you so's" as a result.
"What do they deserve?" . Far more punishment than any "carolina Way"
disciple will ever admit.... and somewhat less than you bloodthirsty
ABCers demand. Whatever the final verdict and penalties are.... you and your ilk will screech and rage just as you have long before Marvin Austin learned to tweet.

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Hear Hear.... the "bottom feeder" elements in all fan bases are interchangeable. They even use the same insulting names for one another.
Yes, in Europe and South America they are even more viral and toxic; but "we" seem to be gaining on them.
If ever tempted to check out a "fan forum" go slam your hand in a car door instead. The physical pain will counter the psychological pain of seeing mankind in its lowest form.

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What do I think? Well, when I came to unc as a freshman I immediately heard from everyone that Swahili was the easiest class on campus. Everybody knew, and nearly everyone who needed to take a foreign language credit (I tested out) tried to take it. Athletes had priority registration before other groups of students, so they got first pick of classes. Most of the easy classes then got filled by athletes. But they weren't exploiting some loophole that other students didn't know about. In fact, dirty little secret, many of the "honors" courses at unc were even easier then the ones they put the athletes in, and several professors only let in students they "knew" from other courses.

That being said, I personally was in two difficult classes with Tyler Hansbrough in 2009. Gen Ed requirements. He came to class more than I did. One professor wasn't even sure who he was (don't be surprised, the vast majority of the faculty couldn't care less about sports). If he didn't get the special treatment and free A's during that season, then I can't imagine who would have.

There are lazy teachers out there, and even lazier grad students. I know a guy who wouldn't even start grading math papers until he was halfway through a fifth of jameson. Nyang'oro picking up a paycheck while sitting on a beach somewhere "teaching classes" doesn't really seem totally implausible to me. Students wouldn't rat him out, it's a win-win for all parties. I look for the incompetent and lazy option before the malicious one. So do I think that there was a widespread plan to put athletes in classes that didn't exist? Not really. Why? Because there was no need for the people involved to open themselves up to that level of risk. They can make athletes eligible through other perfectly dubious (but entire legal) methods.

Here's what I think happened: Advisors have access to all professors grade distributions. They know what classes are easy and which professors are easy. They see Nyangoro (among others, I'm sure) handing out like 98% A's and they are going to put dumb athletes in there. That doesn't necessarily mean they were in on some sort of sham.

That being said, I still think Butch is crooked as all hell. But I don't think he had the pull on that campus to really rig up a favorable academic conspiracy. Keep in mind, the vast majority of professors at unc would much sooner see sports abolished then help to keep athletes eligible.

Now there's a legit response. Pert's gonna be pizzed.

[Carlos the Jackal]

I know a guy who wouldn't even start grading math papers until he was halfway through a fifth of jameson.

Both a gentleman and a scholar...

C5T speaks blasphemy (the closest thing to the unalloyed truth).

[pertsix]

I haven't said anything different.

It's a liberal arts school. lack of oversight happens. I see it as someone perpetuating the ease of the major. Athletes getting first dibs facilitated the athletes getting into those classes. Sad, but true.

Professors are clever. Students can be even more clever and conniving. Trust me, I have seen it this entire time.

This post has been edited by pertsix: Jul 10 2012, 01:31 PM

[Dread]

But I don't think he had the pull on that campus to really rig up a favorable academic conspiracy

Because it was already in place and had been for years.

[Pookie]

lol at perv and chumps falling over themselves to prove that unc-ch is just a shitty school in general, and not an affaleet factory.

[Champs 5 times]

lol at perv and chumps falling over themselves to prove that unc-ch is just a shitty school in general, and not an affaleet factory.

Not even close. It's a school with a few shitty departments, maybe.

[Carlos the Jackal]

It's a school with a few shitty departments, maybe.

I think they are called liberal arts.

[DevilDJ]

It's a school that enjoys trumpeting itself in general and would like to have it both ways w/regards to academics and athletics. They can't have multiple successful athletic programs without the dirt. They KNOW this but instead of doing whatever most schools do to reconcile some modicum of academic integrity with "big-time sports" , unc goes off the deep end. They cut all kinds of corners ( just like the worst offenders do! ) while puttin' an azzload of effort into proclaiming they don't. That hypocritical , arrogant lie has landed 'em right where they are now. They told that whopper so often for so long they ( and a legion of bandwagon fans! ) actually bought into it.

[Lee Corso]

I think they are called liberal arts.

**snicker**

[Champs 5 times]

**snicker**

The vast majority of NCSU is liberal arts.

Duke is a liberal arts school.

Fact.

This post has been edited by Champs 5 times: Jul 11 2012, 12:31 PM

[Pookie]

I think they are called liberal arts.

face

you know, unc-ch can be BOTH a shitty school and affaleet factory.

[Pookie]

here dey be

[DevilDJ]

Ruling on Butch Davis’ 216 area code records coming
By: StateFans Jul 11, 2012
2010 unc Scandal, Featured

WTVD’s Mark Armstrong is providing some timely updates on the unc athletic improprieties and academic fraud cases.

This is a link to his twitter account that has updated with the following today:

Ruling on release of Butch Davis ’216′ phone records will occur July 19th
Redacted ‘Statement of Fact’ forms, reinstatement requests sent to NCAA and bills from bond firm could be released today.

The ‘Statement of fact’ forms are basically unc’s description to the NCAA of the scenarios they believe constituted violations.

Whether athlete cell phone/bank records etc can be released as well as video recordings of any interviews with athletes, coaches…compliance etc will also be decided July 19th

SFN

[DevilDJ]

Records show high legal bills for unc during scandal

The University of North carolina at Chapel Hill spent nearly $67,000 in legal services and fees in a three-month span in 2010 while dealing with the fallout of NCAA violations and an academic scandal, according to a 208-page release Wednesday.

According to the documents released Wednesday, unc filed nearly a dozen Requested Reinstatement forms to the NCAA as a result of unethical conduct, extra benefit and preferential treatment violations in regards to academic improprieties

The most recent documents were made public in response to a public records request made by multiple media outlets, including Capitol Broadcasting Co., the parent company of WRALSportsFan They are only a portion of the requested documents leading up to a July 19 hearing on a joint lawsuit that lists former athletics director Dick Baddour, former head football coach Butch Davis, Chancellor Holden Thorp and Director of Public Safety Jeff McCracken as defendants.

The lawsuit still seeks communications between the law firm and the university, as well as recordings in their possession, an unredacted copy of unc’s submission to the NCAA sent in September and records of Davis’ personal phone that was used for university business.

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See? This is just the type of shet we've been talkin' about. Money/resources spent in the service of CYA , fighting for illiterate fuktards who should've never been in school to begin with and stone-walling the media. The carolina way.

[rachelix]

Huh, I wonder if they dropped a zero.