NCSU @unc Options

[pertsix]

76-68 unc.


NC State having their best season ever, but probably not enough to win at unc.

[Lee Corso]

Is there a betting line out yet?

I would guess it would be about 8.

Don't see NCSU winning this one. Maybe in Raleigh.

[Champs 5 times]

Is there a betting line out yet?

I would guess it would be about 8.

Don't see NCSU winning this one. Maybe in Raleigh.

Basketball spreads typically don't come out until the day before.

[BaltimoreBuc]

Basketball spreads typically don't come out until the day before.

yup.............thanks Doug Moe

[Pookie]

pervs only predicting 8?

must be skeered.

i predict Ayers will be one of the officials.

[rachelix]

hess
eads
ayers

btw anyone watch syracuse/cincinnati?
Only 3 fouls called 12 minutes into the 2nd half. Syracuse Cincinnati didn't have a foul called until 12 minutes in. ACC refs will be a big shock for syracuse/pitt.


oh and NCSU by 15

This post has been edited by rachelix: Jan 23 2012, 10:02 PM

[Champs 5 times]

ACC refs will be a big shock for syracuse/pitt.

The vast majority of ACC refs are also big east refs, including all three of the officials you listed. In fact, Hess has done more Big East than ACC games this year.

LOL, Ayers reffed the VERY SAME GAME you just mentioned

This post has been edited by Champs 5 times: Jan 23 2012, 11:15 PM

[rachelix]

w/e, no ref on an ACC game lets teams run like those refs let Syracuse and Cincinnati run last night.

[Champs 5 times]

w/e, no ref on an ACC game lets teams run like those refs let Syracuse and Cincinnati run last night.

That should be the CSux motto:

"When all else fails, fall back to anecdotes"

[BaltimoreBuc]

do you really think officiaiting is consistent acoss the BE and ACC?

"anecdotal" or not, I think any reasonable person that actually watches both leagues and knows anything about the game would contend that there are two different styles of play and styles of officiating

[Champs 5 times]

do you really think officiaiting is consistent acoss the BE and ACC?

"anecdotal" or not, I think any reasonable person that actually watches both leagues and knows anything about the game would contend that there are two different styles of play and styles of officiating

It's the different style of play that leads to the style of officiating. Some ACC games between physical teams get the same treatment, but it's likely not the games you are watching (think UVA vs FSU).

[rachelix]

any reasonable person

ayuh

at any rate, I'm a girl, and c5t is arguing with a girl about sports. hahaha!

This post has been edited by rachelix: Jan 24 2012, 02:12 PM

[BaltimoreBuc]

Chumps,
living where I live with the cable provider I have I probably get to see more of the non-marquee games than you do- maybe, maybe not. I agree that style of play has a great influence, but I think the league offices of the BE and ACC have different attitudes and points of emphasis that get passed down to the refs. Some of these BE games are almost NBA like under the boards comp[ared to what is allowed in the ACC. That goes with hand-checking (too a lesser degree) as well. I think the boys in Greensboro want a different game, and the two biggest dogs (unc and Duke) have some influence over that, too. A guy from Seton Hall standing under the basket trying to draw a charge against a Georgetown forward isn't the same as a kid from Clemson standing in the same spot trying to draw one against one of Roy's golden children.

[rachelix]

/thread

[piss'n in the well]

( Clean up on aisle 5. Clean up on aisle 5. )

[Champs 5 times]

I agree that style of play has a great influence, but I think the league offices of the BE and ACC have different attitudes and points of emphasis that get passed down to the refs.

Well then you'd be wrong. Points of emphasis come from the national office, not from the conferences. Not only that, but they are included and appended to the rulebook that the NCAA puts out each year. Order one for yourself and see.

Do you really think that the refs are good enough, in the absolute SPLIT SECOND that they have to call a foul, to think "wait a sec, okay, hand checks are a foul in the ACC, SEC, and SoCon, but not the BE, B10, or MEAC. Charges on the other hand are limited to ACC, A-10, and Big-10, but not the SEC, Big East or SoCon"

All of these officials work 7+ conferences. You really think they are good enough to, in split second time, selective enforce different rules for each of those conferences in a CONSISTENT and subtle way? That's your story?

[Lee Corso]

Do YOU think all games across conferences are called the same???????????? Really?

Would YOU call a game the same way at Rucker Park the same way you'd call a 12 yr old girls church league game?

[Champs 5 times]

Do YOU think all games across conferences are called the same???????????? Really?

Would YOU call a game the same way at Rucker Park the same way you'd call a 12 yr old girls church league game?

I don't think games are called the same at ALL. But I think conference affiliation has very little to do with how games are called differently.

I call games based on the style of play. General rule of thumb is to let contact go unless it affects RSBQ: Rhythm, speed, balance, or quickness.

[Lee Corso]

I don't think games are called the same at ALL. But I think conference affiliation has very little to do with how games are called differently.

I call games based on the style of play. General rule of thumb is to let contact go unless it affects RSBQ: Rhythm, speed, balance, or quickness.

Well, the players aren't any better (their RSBQ) in the BE than the ACC. I can tell you that games are called much differently. Do you disagree with me? If not, do you think refs call the games differently because of conference affiliation? I do.

[Champs 5 times]

Well, the players aren't any better (their RSBQ) in the BE than the ACC. I can tell you that games are called much differently. Do you disagree with me? If not, do you think refs call the games differently because of conference affiliation? I do.

It depends on several things. Coaches are important. If a coach is screaming "3 seconds!!" in your ear every time you go down the floor, you'll probably be more apt to look for it. Fast=paced games are more likely to have just straight up missed calls. Most officials at the D-1 level are older and out of shape. Even young officials wouldn't be able to keep up with the best athletes college basketball has to offer and will find themselves out of position during fast transitions.

The other part is, officials are generally looking to call about 18ish fouls a half. If both teams are beating the hell out of each other, only the most egregious of bumps are going to get called. But if both teams are playing a flowing style, you have to call more touch fouls to get to that number. The general idea is to let the players know that you have constant control of the game (frustrated players are more likely to take their frustration out on the court), but not to take over the game.

The rule book is fairly ambiguous in the role it provides officials. They're granted more power than officials in any other sport, and it's one of the toughest sports to officiate. The rule book is NOT ambiguous in what constitutes a foul, but it does explicitly grant the official broad ability to determine whether or not to call it. "Severe contact may occur that does not result in a foul".

I actually think the advantage-disadvantage and RSBQ doctrines hurt better players. A good player can absorb a hand check without it affecting him in any way, and there is no need to call a foul. A bad player may lose the ball, and now the defense has gained an advantage by doing something illegal and foul must be called.