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post Feb 9 2015, 03:56 PM
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Looks like Liner would be perfect for unx. No wonder Fedora wants 'im...

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Yes he would be perfect. As an aside, you gotta laugh at the Auburn fans criticizing Alabama for paying players. laugh.gif laugh.gif #CamNewtonsdadsayshello
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post Feb 11 2015, 09:28 PM
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Regarding the Chizik hire...
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My question, when does Kane write the article.

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Re: Fedora/Chizik Breaking NCAA rules.... already

Buy a Sunday N&O

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post Mar 5 2015, 07:55 PM
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Opinion: Michael Waddell’s case reminds us fraud incentives remain

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With the details of unc’s athletic-academic scandal now so well-known, what value is there in bringing to light another such story — in this case, that of former unc football player Michael Waddell?

The (Raleigh) News & Observer recently published a report detailing graduate admissions irregularities involving athletes that occurred in the early 2000s. Some, understandably, see this type of reporting as journalists picking at a wound that would have otherwise long since healed.

As those who hold this view might have predicted, we feel differently. However minor these irregularities seem on their own, their cumulative appearance in multiple areas of campus across the years suggests the scandals, in plural, were not the work of a few bad apples spoiling the bunch.

Waddell’s story hints at the existence of institutional pressures that found release in multiple places. And while most of those responsible for succumbing to those pressures have left this University, troublingly little has been done to address the incentives for this type of fraud, which remain ingrained in the University’s allegiance to the NCAA’s model of major intercollegiate athletics.

We encourage those still paying attention to the scandal to use Waddell’s story to neither further condemn nor defend the University. Instead, let’s allow this information to complicate our understanding of the scandal’s true nature.

The action we take as a result must reflect a recognition that many fundamental causes of wrongdoing at unc persist.

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post Mar 6 2015, 09:41 PM
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Bubba tells unc fans not to worry....

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North carolina athletic director Bubba Cunningham says the NCAA's punishment of Syracuse has no bearing on the ongoing academic-misconduct case at unc.

"The enforcement staff and the committee on infractions have always said no two cases are alike," Cunningham said Friday night. "They evaluate the facts of each case independently, and I'm sure they're going to continue to do that in our case. And our case is vastly different than that case."

Read more here: http://www.fresnobee.com/2015/03/06/441277...1#storylink=cpy


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post Mar 7 2015, 01:14 PM
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When the NCAA releases its findings on unc, I fully expect all men’s basketball violations to be limited to April 5, 2005 to Nov. 7, 2008.

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post Mar 9 2015, 10:44 AM
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When the NCAA releases its findings on unc, I fully expect all men’s basketball violations to be limited to July 11, 2000 to April 1, 2003.

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That the NCAA goons investigated ‘Cuse for 5-6 years and then went back over ten years and dropped the sledge on “a Hall-of-Fame coach" had immediate Oh S**t reactions around a certain Old Well.

BubbaTheRealAD was quick to say “despite all the obvious similarities, there really aren’t any similarities at all because Syracuse doesn’t have Deborah, Burgess or Julius and our Hall-of-Fame coach is named Roy not Jim plus we paid for "a Weinstein Report".....”

That so completely stunned TruBlue Nation that they gave a standing O to Coach K on Saturday night hoping the NCAA goons would consider that as a self-imposed penalty. Early indication is that the NCAA goons, while stunned by the unusual gesture, are NOT counting it.

What else is Bubba going to say? “Holy Crap.... if ‘the NCAA goons’ hit 'Cuse that hard, they are probably gonna nuke the bejebbers outta us.”

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You're right on point about the top 20 recruits. K was smart enough to sign on with USA basketball to get street cred. It's worked pretty well I'd say.

Roy is a little late to that party, and in comparison, his tactics are a bit less refined. The first thing that crossed my mind watching the WWF style introduction at the Dean Dome before the Duke game was, "boy, Roy must really want somebody at that game."
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According to Chansky, Roy has already lost 6 of his top 7 recruit targets. The only one still unsigned is the Ingram kid from Kinston. He is likely in a MUST GET mode with him.

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ALL the national pundits seem to be predicting unc's verdict will be much harsher than Syracuse's. What say you?
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Could be. Regardless, unc's Fat Cat War Chest will keep "it" tied up in court for years.... at $900/hour

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post Mar 16 2015, 07:05 AM
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How much investigating does the NCAA need to do? They can just look at that damn checklist , couple it with the fact that they're BACK at unx for the SECOND TIME in 4 years , make the obvious LOIC charge and nuke 'em back to the Stone Age. And lest we forget , the one area where unx's PR team has been a success is making this about everything EXCEPT Fats , Iceberg , "Wheelz4Heelz" etc. Those are the "sexy" things the NCAA LOVES to hammer schools over and unx is neck-deep in that crap. They've answered for none of it. Regardless , this is the quintessential "open and shut case" but we still get this delay. True , the delay itself is something of a sanction but come the fuk on. Blast the place and get it over with already.
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post Mar 16 2015, 07:17 AM
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At 7:15 , unx gets eviscerated. 19:40 , Swahili joke...

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How much investigating does the NCAA need to do? They can just look at that damn checklist , couple it with the fact that they're BACK at unx for the SECOND TIME in 4 years , make the obvious LOIC charge and nuke 'em back to the Stone Age. And lest we forget , the one area where unx's PR team has been a success is making this about everything EXCEPT Fats , Iceberg , "Wheelz4Heelz" etc. Those are the "sexy" things the NCAA LOVES to hammer schools over and unx is neck-deep in that crap. They've answered for none of it. Regardless , this is the quintessential "open and shut case" but we still get this delay. True , the delay itself is something of a sanction but come the fuk on. Blast the place and get it over with already.


You could check everything on that list just by what Boxhill did.

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I'm downloading this and saving the unc parts
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My LSU friend claims that he heard from a unc person that Bubba had told another AD that the NCAA was going to level unc and lose 2 National Championships.

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The more I read coming from unc's leadership, the more I am leaning toward the argument of Jay Smith and other Drake Group people (Ridpath, Gurney) that a radical reformation is needed to "disentangle" big time college sports from the academic mission of colleges and universities.

I hate that because, as Roy Williams seems to believe based on his quote in that article, I have long, staunchly held that the two could coexist. And I've been somewhat at odds with the more draconian measures championed by the Drake Group types.

But unc is proving to me that maybe I'm too idealistic. In theory, it ought to work because one would expect university administrators and educators to be protective of their academic mission and not allow the athletic tail to wag the educational dog, metaphorically speaking. You'd expect there to be a natural tension and watchdog element to people like a Provost, Chancellor, Deans of the college, etc. to be wary of abuses by athletics-vested counselors, coaches and even the student-athletes themselves.

But unc's administration and JCDing leadership, over and over, demonstrate that they're not divested from their fandom, and that whatever natural "tension" there should be has been greased away, and they're more willing to risk a little rogue academic mud on their faces to prevent the scandal from sticking to athletics in anyway.

There's the old story/proverb about the kid who befriends a snake and the snake promises not to bite him. But then, one day the snake bites and the kid cries, saying "you said you wouldn't bite me." To which the snake says, "yeah, but I'm a snake."

I'm afraid big time athletics is the snake. The intentions may not always be devious, but eventually every AD will succumb to gaming the system when there's friction between academics and athletics, and it's folly to expect anyone with a vested athletic interest to police themselves. It was Jan Boxill's and Debby Crowder's and Julius Nyang'Oro's fanship that blinded them or allowed them to rationalize that what they were doing was within the letter, if not the spirit, of the rules.

The watchdogs should be the faculty and the faculty leadership and the institutional leadership. But if they're cowed by Trusties, boosters and political influence that has a biasing athletic motive, then the system of checks and balances breaks down. I'm beginning to come to accept that the only way to fix it is to sever the tie. I don't know what form such an athletic system would take, but if you can't trust school presidents, chancellors, provosts, senior deans to defend the academic mission against corrupting influence of big time, profit-generating sports, then no amount of "reforms" like unc is claiming or rule changing by the NCAA (which, itself, has a profit motive despite being a non-profit) is going to fix it.
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The NCAA and the University of North carolina on Monday asked a federal judge in North carolina to dismiss a lawsuit connected to the academic scandal involving Tar Heels athletes.

In late January, lawyers representing two former unc athletes sued in North carolina state court. They alleged breach of contract against unc for a failure to provide "academically sound classes with legitimate educational instruction."

The suit, which seeks to become a class action, also accused the NCAA of negligence because: "Although the NCAA's rules prohibit academic fraud, the NCAA knew of dozens of instances of academic fraud in its member schools' athletic programs over the last century, and it nevertheless refused to implement adequate monitoring systems to detect and prevent these occurrences at its member institutions."

In late February, the NCAA had the case removed to federal court under a variety of procedural grounds.

On Monday, the NCAA said the case should be thrown out, in part, because it did not owe the plaintiffs a duty to prevent academic fraud at unc.

The NCAA argued that even though "it supplies and enforces rules and guidelines for various aspects of intercollegiate athletics," it is not "subject to liability for the independent actions of its member institutions."

In addition to claiming that the case is barred by the 11th Amendment, which limits suits against state governments in state courts, the university said the case was brought after expiration of the state's three-year limit for the filing of a breach-of-contract claim.

The suit was filed on behalf of behalf of women's basketball player Rashanda McCants and football player Devon Ramsay by lawyers from Hausfeld LLP, the same firm that is pursuing the Ed O'Bannon antitrust case against the NCAA concerning the use of college athletes' names, images and likenesses.

McCants attended unc from 2005 to 2009. Ramsay attended the school from 2007 to 2012, but allegedly participated in an irregular class in 2007.

The plaintiffs argued in their complaint that the time limit for filing the suit should not apply because of unc's "fraudulent concealment of material facts regarding the academically unsound nature" of various classes.

In Monday's filing, lawyers for the university responded:

"Plaintiffs offer no explanation for how or why they were unaware of what transpired in the three … courses they took between themselves while students at the University. Nobody is better positioned to know these facts than Plaintiffs, yet their Complaint offers no explanation for their lack of knowledge — within the limitations period — of whether the … classes they took required class attendance and included faculty involvement. Indeed, Plaintiffs unquestionably would have been aware at the time they took the courses that they were enrolled 'paper classes' that they were not required to attend, required little to no work, were not taught by a faculty member, and involved no interaction with a faculty member."

The NCAA acknowledged that the type of alleged academic fraud that is the subject of the suit "is without question a serious concern for all students."

But it also argued that that plaintiffs were attempting to hold the association accountable for "conduct the NCAA did not and could not control."

" … The NCAA did not assume a duty to ensure the quality of education student-athletes received at member institutions or to protect student-athletes from the independent, voluntary acts of those institutions or their employees," the association wrote.

It added that "it was no secret that the NCAA did not review the substance of college courses."

In addition, the NCAA argued that what the plaintiffs are seeking through the suit — the formation of an independent commission to oversee academic integrity in NCAA schools' athletics programs — is "overbroad."

"Plaintiffs seek relief that would extended to all NCAA member institutions, but their allegations are tied solely to events at unc ... Plaintiffs effectively ask the Court not to remedy the particular harms they allege, but to dictate broad policy changes to the NCAA. That is not the proper function of injunctive relief, nor even more broadly of the court system."

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